[2023-05-24]雅虎评论区：由于美国芯片巨头美光涉及中国的国家安全问题，中国告诉科技制造商停止使用美光芯片

antiwar
US sanctions Chinese companies US whines when China does same - UP: 1 DN: 0

美国制裁中国公司，当中国也这样做的时候，美国怨声载道

Gilbert
Nothing to explain or understand. They are using the same arguments than the US used against Huawei, and they are unproven as well ... This economic war will be very costly, time to spare money in order to face the next five years. - UP: 0 DN: 0

没什么好解释或理解的。他们使用的理由与美国用来对付华为的理由一样，而且也是未经证实... 这场经济战的代价会非常巨大，为了面对未来的5年，是时候节省资金了。

Thomas
It may hurt their business a bit now but it’s something that should happen sooner or later for the greater good. - UP: 0 DN: 0

这可能会损害他们现在的业务，但为了更大的利益，这是迟早要发生的事情。

Io mis
This should have been done years ago right after Huawei ban - UP: 0 DN: 0

几年前华为被禁那时就这么做

Valvoly
Is it really worth trading with China? We are pretty much paying for their military build up. - UP: 0 DN: 0

真的值得与中国进行贸易吗？我们基本上是在为他们的军事建设买单。

Rob
Looks like Ukraine war will continue - UP: 0 DN: 0

看来乌克兰战争还会继续

Howard the duck
Great, we don't want your stuff either - UP: 0 DN: 0

太好了，我们也不想要你的东西

Scott
Good. Make China less hospitable for US companies to do business. Then maybe they’ll all leave. China has an extensive import/export network, but that can be replicated elsewhere, in countries that are less hostile. - UP: 0 DN: 0

很好。降低美国公司在中国做生意的热情。也许他们都会离开。中国拥有广泛的进出口网络，但这可以在其他不那么敌对的国家复制。

True vision
China wants an economicwar, then the West must sticktogether to survive - UP: 0 DN: 0

中国想要经济战，那么西方必须团结一致才能生存

Truelib
Who couldn't see this coming? - UP: 0 DN: 0

谁没料到呢？

BYEDONE is a moron
China is not “stepping up the feud.” China is responding to the constant provocations by the american pariahs banning Chinese companies. Get your facts straight. - UP: 0 DN: 0

中国并没有“激化矛盾”，中国是在回应美国贱民的不断挑衅，禁止中国公司。把事实搞清楚。

205
STOP letting chinese into U.S. universities. - UP: 0 DN: 0

停止让中国人进入美国大学。

Galileo
The US is being given an opportunity the like of which we have never seen: Any computer that does not have a micron chip in it is hereby disallowed. - UP: 0 DN: 0

美国正在获得一个前所未有的机会：任何没有美光芯片的计算机都被禁止使用。

Juan
The US started this, so its only fair that China respond in kind. - UP: 1 DN: 1

这是美国挑起的，所以中国以牙还牙才公平。

John J
China is mad because it's micro chip industry is dying. Now it is it is coming up with excuses for protectionism so they can salvage what is left. - UP: 0 DN: 1

中国疯了，因为它的微芯片产业正在消亡。现在，它正在为保护主义找借口，以挽救剩下的东西。

MAGA4EVER
The World needs to stop Made in China - UP: 0 DN: 1

世界需要停止中国制造的产品

Jrock
That's good, it will free up chips for U.S. manufactures since there has been a huge shortage. - UP: 1 DN: 2

很好，这将为美国制造业腾出芯片，因为目前芯片一直严重短缺。

Embold
More for us! - UP: 0 DN: 0

给我们更多！

Katie > Embold
You realize we are not talking about potato chips or shrimp chips? lol - UP: 0 DN: 0

你应该知道我们不是在说薯片或者虾片吧？哈哈

Embold > Katie
We need microchips far more than snack foods! - UP: 0 DN: 0

比起零食，我们更需要芯片！

FeFeghost
The US Needs to quit buying China products...Those folks would be bankrupt quick...American Made Products for the US Only...China wants to keep playing games, We can do that....BOYCOTT CHINA GARBAGE !!!!!! - UP: 1 DN: 0

美国需要停止购买中国的产品... 那些人很快就会破产... 只需要美国制造的产品... 中国想继续玩的话，我们奉陪到底... 抵制中国垃圾产品！

Hornet Driver
The time has come to turn China into a radio-active wasteland. - UP: 2 DN: 2

是时候把中国变成一片放射性废墟了。

205 > Hornet Driver
Wut? - UP: 0 DN: 0

啥？

Sung
US loves to use national security as the reason for blocking and sanction others, China can use the same tactic invented by US - UP: 0 DN: 1

美国喜欢以国家安全为理由封锁和制裁别国，中国也可以采用美国发明的同样策略

Ernie
It seems safer if we keep China at arms length. - UP: 1 DN: 0

如果我们与中国保持一定距离，似乎会更安全。

Tom
Let them try to develop their own high end chips and equipment! - UP: 2 DN: 0

让他们尝试自己开发高端芯片和设备吧！

jig
Stop buying cars with computer systems. We can produce much cheaper and still very nice cars without computers. - UP: 0 DN: 0

停止购买带有计算机系统的汽车。没有计算机系统，我们可以生产出更便宜、更好的汽车。

yuri
inferior amerikan cannot compete--humilited by China - UP: 0 DN: 0

下等美国人无法竞争——被中国羞辱了

Chuck K
I don't mi d cutting off China from western markets...short term pains but long term gains and more secure future - UP: 1 DN: 1

我不介意切断中国与西方市场的联系... 虽然有短期痛苦，但会有长期的收益和更安全的未来

Jayme
China is not our ally - UP: 1 DN: 0

中国不是我们的盟友

hololi
Chinese EVs and other products are a security risk as well, so as China did with Micron, BYD etc should be banned from the US market. - UP: 2 DN: 1

中国的电动汽车和其它产品也存在安全风险，所以就像中国对美光所做的，美国也应该禁止比亚迪等公司进入美国市场。

John > hololi
To be fair, China is just responding in kind to the U.S banning Huawei first. So if the U.S. decides to ban Chinese EV’s? Take a wild guess what China will do to Tesla? This economic war is a mess. BOTH sides bear responsibility and BOTH sides need to wake up. NOBODY wins in this war. - UP: 0 DN: 0

实话说，中国只是对美国首先禁止华为做出了同样的回应。那么，如果美国决定禁止中国的电动汽车？猜猜中国会对特斯拉做什么？这场经济战一团糟。双方都要承担责任，双方都要清醒过来。这场战争没有赢家。

coldest
The citizens of the United States should stop buying anything that is made in China . - UP: 0 DN: 0

美国公民应该停止购买任何中国制造的东西。

JR Federal Way > coldest
Tell all the people at Walmart in MAGA hats that. They bark about China and fill their shopping carts with the stuff. - UP: 0 DN: 0

告诉沃尔玛所有戴MAGA帽子的人。他们对中国大喊大叫，然后在购物车里塞满了中国的东西。

Michael
Pull out of China and you won't have to worry about these raids. pretty simple HUH. - UP: 0 DN: 0

撤出中国，你就不用担心这些突袭了。很简单吧。

Robwashere
Take the business to other countries....Forget China....Its a matter of time they will be fighting us. - UP: 0 DN: 0

把生意带到其他国家去... 忘了中国吧... 他们和我们的战斗只是时间问题。

Wise man
What goes around comes around.Recession is just around the corner. - UP: 0 DN: 1

善恶到头终有报。经济衰退即将来临。

JR Federal Way > Wise man
Thanks Trump. His trickle down economics and continual dropping of interest rates to give him and his family big paydays is now biting us back. Then there's his TOTAL failure to lead during covid which forced mandates and lock downs sent the GDP to minus 35 and U3 unemployment to 17%. And people think he did a good job. - UP: 0 DN: 0

多谢特朗普。他的涓滴经济学和不断降低的利率给他和他的家人带来了丰厚的收入，现在正在反噬我们。然后是他在新冠疫情期间完全没有领导作用，强制命令和封锁，导致了GDP降至负35，U3失业率升至17%。人们还认为他做得很好。

CrankDango
Dump China. US companies need to start ignoring the Chinese consumer base. - UP: 0 DN: 0

抛弃中国。美国企业需要开始忽视中国的消费者基础。

David > CrankDango
too late to go back, China now has the best overall tech level after U.S. - UP: 0 DN: 0

已经太晚了，中国现在的整体科技水平仅次于美国。

Hung
Memory chip has very limited function. Can 't think how that impacts security. - UP: 0 DN: 0

内存芯片的功能非常有限。我想象不出这会对国家安全造成什么影响。

Kecia
And our incompetent President allows China to run all over the U.S. We must get this man out of office......now! - UP: 0 DN: 0

我们无能的总统让中国统治整个美国了。我们必须让这个人下台... 现在！

Doom
Awesome. Thank you, China. Please extend your attacks to other US and Western businesses as well. You are on the right path. Your ultimate goal is to scare off all Western businesses so they don't want to invest in your economy anymore. - UP: 13 DN: 2

太棒了。谢谢中国。请将你们的攻击扩展到其他美国和西方企业。你们的做法是对的。你们的最终目标是吓跑所有的西方企业，这样他们就不会再投资你们的经济了。

2REP
Simple solution. QUIT buying cheap Chinese Knock Off electronics that do not use our Licensed parts and materials. Since we are China's largest Foreign Market they will respond. - UP: 0 DN: 0

简单的解决办法。停止购买未使用我们授权的零件和材料的廉价中国仿制电子产品。鉴于我们是中国最大的外国市场，他们会回应的。

Good
China market accounts for ~11% of Micron's FY22 (Aug) revenue. It may not a serious big issue now while losing the 11% revenue. But if China prohibited the chips from Micron to import into China, that will affect all the downstream and upstream components/products into China market and that will kill Micron. China never responds without any strategic planning ahead, let's see more surprises coming! - UP: 1 DN: 2

中国市场约占美光22财年(8月)收入的11%。在失去11%收入的情况下，这可能不是一个严重的大问题。但是，如果中国禁止美光的芯片进口到中国，那将影响所有进入中国市场的下游和上游零件/产品，这会杀死美光。中国从来不会在没有任何战略规划的情况下做出回应，更多的惊喜即将到来！

Daniel
past time for Apple and others to move their manufacturing from China. That cheap labor certainly has not lowered prices on phone, appliances, computers or anything else. It has lowered quality on many items. - UP: 58 DN: 7

苹果和其他公司早该把制造业从中国迁出了。廉价劳动力没有降低手机、电器、电脑或其他任何东西的价格，反而降低了许多商品的质量。

Moeman > Daniel
Of course Apple and others did not lower the prices. The money they saved by using cheap labors was used to enrich themselves even more. Welcome to capitalism. Capitalism = greed. - UP: 0 DN: 0

当然，苹果和其他公司没有降低价格。他们通过使用廉价劳动力而节省下来的钱被用来让自己更富有。欢迎来到资本主义。资本主义 = 贪婪。

BigMouthOnly > Daniel
I working in USA as an engineer and know well what level of people round me. They're lazy and sack of knowledge, but they are only good in talking, copy and stolen from other people work results. - UP: 0 DN: 0

我在美国工作，是一名工程师，很清楚周围人的水平。他们懒惰且知识匮乏，他们只擅长空谈、抄袭和窃取别人的工作成果。

Joe > BigMouthOnly
At least they know how to form a coherent paragraph. - UP: 0 DN: 0

至少他们知道如何组织一个连贯的段落。

Juan > Daniel
didn't lower prices because Apple and other wanted and did make more money, lower cost, higher prices, so blame US manufacturers, not Chinese labor. - UP: 5 DN: 0

价格没有降低是因为苹果和其他公司想要/确实赚了更多的钱、更低的成本、更高的价格，所以去责怪美国制造商，而不是中国的劳动力。

Mike > Daniel
The purpose has never been to lower price. Your naivety is mind-blowing. The only goal is to maximize profits, the hell with you and the rest of the mass like you have a say. - UP: 11 DN: 3

目的从来都不是为了降低价格。你天真得让人震惊。他们唯一的目标就是利润最大化，你和其他人都爱咋咋地吧，说得好像你有发言权似的。

Daniel > Mike
My next washing machine will be a made in the USA Speed Queen and likely my last one. - UP: 2 DN: 2

我的下一台洗衣机将是在美国制造的速比坤洗衣机，可能是我的最后一台。

Wise man > Daniel
You can't afford to buy a US made washing machine or you have to take out a loan to buy one. - UP: 3 DN: 2

你买不起美国制造的洗衣机，或者你必须贷款才能买一台。

Trav
Funny how that 60 billion in Us taxpayer money ended up with Micron And not with startups . Now this . Here Comes the Excuses . - UP: 0 DN: 0

有趣的是，美国纳税人的600亿美元最后都流向了美光科技手里，而不是创业公司。现在又这样。借口来了。

WiseGuy
The US Government needs to negotiate with China on this ban, otherwise hundreds of thousands of Micron Technology Inc. employees will be out of jobs. - UP: 0 DN: 1

美国政府需要与中国就这一禁令进行谈判，否则数十万美光科技的员工将会失业。

Drakanne
what is their alternative? - UP: 0 DN: 0

他们的选择是什么?

Dropdanukeonputin
China is a friend to no one - UP: 4 DN: 0

中国不是任何人的朋友

Simo
So they tell them not to do it, but not mandating them to do it?A business will go with a supplier with lowest cost and steady supply, national security is least of their concern.Beside, SK Hynix and Samsung is the only one who makes the same high end memories with Micron. - UP: 0 DN: 0

所以他们是要求这些企业不要这样做，而不是命令？企业会选择成本最低、供应稳定的供应商，国家安全是他们最不关心的问题。此外，与美光生产相同高端存储器的企业只有SK海力士和三星。

Raymond G
This reminds me of when the U.S. tried to strong arm the world into not using 5G cell technology because U.S. telecommunications companies didn't want to spend the money to upgrade while China went all in. All of a sudden 5G was bad unless a U.S. company was selling it. - UP: 1 DN: 4

这让我想起了美国试图强迫世界不要使用5G技术，因为美国电信公司不想花钱升级，而中国则全力以赴。突然之间，5G技术就变得糟糕了，除非有美国公司在销售。

mod > Raymond G
Now we’re in 5G meanwhile they moved on to making 6G. I can’t wait for US to start accusing china of stealing 6G technology while we’re trying to figure out how 5G works. - UP: 2 DN: 2

现在我们开始用5G，而他们开始开发6G了。我等不及美国开始指责中国窃取6G技术，与此同时，我们正在搞明白5G的工作原理。

Henry
My suggestion to Governor Abbott is to start shipping the illegal aliens to China,instead of bussing them to NYC - UP: 3 DN: 1

我给阿博特州长的建议是，开始把非法移民送到中国，而不是用巴士把他们送到纽约

gary > Henry
HAHA, China don't play that dumb stuff. Say good bye , adios and don't come back. - UP: 0 DN: 0

哈哈，中国不会理那些傻逼玩意儿的。再见吧，永别了，不要再回来了。

Fred
Their "development" to date has relied heavily on theft of IP, with near zero help with trademark enforcement by authorities. That alone is an excellent reason to restrict tech exports to them. - UP: 33 DN: 11

迄今为止，他们的“发展”在很大程度上依赖于知识产权窃取，而机构在商标执法方面不积极。仅凭这一点就是限制对他们技术出口的绝佳理由。

Ron > Fred
No, the overwhelming majority were through partnerships. Go learn about China, you clearly need to. - UP: 0 DN: 0

不，绝大多数是通过合作关系的。你显然需要去了解中国。

alf > Fred
Hey Fred, how about try stop talking up a grand storm but just quit shopping at Wal Mart for a change? Oh, that's too tough on your family to put this in practice? - UP: 1 DN: 1

嘿，Fred，别老是讲宏大叙事了，改变一下，不要再去沃尔玛购物了，怎么样？噢，这对你家人来说太难了做不到？

Logan > Fred
now Ford need Chinese battery manufacture electric vehicles - UP: 2 DN: 1

现在福特需要中国电池来制造电动汽车

Fred > Logan
While EV's are all the rage, I'd argue the entire electic revolution, including solar and wind with power generation, is built on the ecologically disastrous base of lithium ion batteries. For vehicles, the superior tech is hydrogen combustion. The challenge with that tech being how to safely distribute and store the smallest atom known to humanity. - UP: 0 DN: 1

虽然电动汽车风靡一时，但我认为整个电力革命，包括太阳能和风能发电，都是建立在生态灾难性的锂电池基础上的。对于汽车来说，最先进的技术是氢燃烧。这项技术的挑战在于如何安全地分配和储存人类已知的最小原子。

Wise man > Fred
EV are everywhere now, where is your hydrogen powered car ? - UP: 0 DN: 0

电动汽车现在到处都是，你说的氢动力汽车在哪里？

Michael
Great news for once from China. Now the rest of the free world can get more availability of Micron IC's. How about banning Intel, Nvidia, and AMD chios as well from being used in China. We can recover and bring more manufacturing back ti the USa and the rest of the FREE world! - UP: 7 DN: 2

中国给的一条好消息。现在，自由世界的其他地方可以获得更多的美光IC了。禁止英特尔、英伟达和AMD的芯片在中国使用怎么样？我们的制造业可以复苏，并把更多的制造业带回美国和其他自由世界！

BenG
US should be nice to China and provide them with all the chips necessary for them to surpass us in AI, in such a way that they can win the war without a single shot. This way they will enslave us while they replace all the workforce with Robots and they MAKE THE PCC the perfect replacement of this corrupt democracy we have. China will recognize Biden as the best president of the US and they will make a statue of Hunter as the helper of all this because according to his father he is the smartest person he has ever known... Right? - UP: 2 DN: 1

美国应该善待中国，为他们提供所有必要的芯片，让他们在人工智能方面超越我们，这样他们就能不费吹灰之力地赢得战争。这样一来，他们就会奴役我们，同时用机器人取代所有的劳动力，让他们的制度成为我们腐败的民主政体的完美替代品。中国会承认拜登是美国最好的总统，他们将为亨特立一座雕像，作为这一切的帮手，因为根据他父亲的说法，他是他所认识的最聪明的人... 对吗？

V
China warn US not to start the tech war. There no winner in tech war. - UP: 0 DN: 0

中国在警告美国不要引发科技战。科技战没有赢家。

V
Micron provided their product to many foreign companies in China that mean many foreign companies have to stop doing business with Micron or these companies will be force to shut down the operation in China. - UP: 1 DN: 2

美光向许多在中国的外国公司提供产品，这意味着许多外国公司不得不停止与美光的业务往来，否则这些公司将被迫关闭在中国的业务。

Logan > V
There are other vendors like Samsung and SK - UP: 0 DN: 0

还有像三星和SK这样的供应商

jp
Bummer that we can't all work together.... - UP: 1 DN: 0

真遗憾，我们不能一起工作...

Hariadi
Gotta be selective but now china finds its target. - UP: 1 DN: 1

必须有选择性，但现在中国找到了目标。

V > Hariadi
Micron chips were used by many foreign company operate in China. Micron indirectly cost any foreign company have business with Micron to shut down their business in China. - UP: 0 DN: 1

在中国运营的许多外国公司都使用美光芯片。美光间接地让任何与美光有业务往来的外国公司关闭在中国的业务。

V
Micron beg China government not to ban them. - UP: 1 DN: 1

美光乞求中国不要禁止他们。

John
I'm fine with decoupling from China. It's becoming a pariah for a myriad of reasons. - UP: 0 DN: 1

我对与中国脱钩没有意见，由于各种各样的原因，它正在成为一个贱民国家。

mod
If a top producer of electronic tihs boycott your product(s), you know you’re in trouble but we’re not talking top company, we’re talking a top country. Layoffs on the horizon. - UP: 0 DN: 0

如果一家电子产品的顶级生产商抵制你的产品，你知道你有麻烦了，但我们说的不是一家顶级企业，我们说的是一个顶级国家。裁员即将到来。

Joseph
What china really means is; we have fully copied Micron chips, so we can now use Micron as propaganda against the US. - UP: 3 DN: 1

中国真正的意思是：我们已经完全复制了美光的芯片，所以我们现在可以利用美光作为反美宣传。

V
Micron will never again earn many billions dollars from China. - UP: 1 DN: 1

美光再也不能从中国赚取数十亿美元了。

Lg
Very good. The U.S. did exactly the same thing to Huawei. Now it is China's turn. - UP: 9 DN: 7

非常好。美国对华为也做了同样的事情。现在轮到中国了。

Wise man > Lg
China learn it from the best, US and A. - UP: 1 DN: 1

中国向精通此法的美国学习。

V
Micron will downsize their workforce for many years to come. - UP: 0 DN: 0

美光将在未来许多年内缩减员工规模。

Rice > V
It will take a while. We have been behind on microchip manufacturing for while in the US - UP: 0 DN: 0

这将需要一段时间。我们美国在微芯片制造方面已经落后了一段时间

V
There will be many layoff Micron workers in the US. - UP: 0 DN: 0

美光将会裁员很多美国工人。

CrazyCannuck
It is understandable for China to no longer trust US chip manufacturers in light of their own security, just like the US does not trust Huawei and Tik Tok. In the mean time, they can always get manufacturing technologies by recruiting the right people worldwide; everyone has his price. - UP: 0 DN: 0

中国出于自身安全考虑不再信任美国芯片制造商，就像美国不信任华为和TikTok一样，这是可以理解的。与此同时，他们总是可以通过在全世界招募合适的人来获得制造技术，人皆有价。

Vic Aranda > CrazyCannuck
They has to many spies around the world....as long the prices is right!!! - UP: 0 DN: 1

他们在世界各地有很多间谍... 只要价格合适！！！

mod > Vic Aranda
You think we don’t have any?!? You know how people in US said China is spying on US with their satellites?!? We have 50x more. Get off your high horse son, we’re spying on everyone including our own people. - UP: 0 DN: 0

你以为我们没有吗？！？你知道美国人怎么说中国用他们的卫星监视美国吗？我们的数量有50倍以上。别妄自尊大了，孩子，我们监视着每个人，包括我们自己的人。

Don
Bad news for Biden’s anti-China geopolitics and US economy. - UP: 0 DN: 0

对拜登的反中地缘政治和美国经济而言，这是个坏消息。

Rice > Don
I don't where. We have been behind on manufacturing microchips. This might let some of these people go down to a 48 hour work weekl - UP: 0 DN: 0

我不知道。我们在微芯片制造上一直落后。这可能会让其中一些人减少到每周工作48小时

C
The US should not allow Chinese EV's to get into the US market. Otherwise, the whole US market could be made UPSIDE DOWN. - UP: 0 DN: 1

美国不应该允许中国电动汽车进入美国市场。否则，整个美国市场可能会被搞得天翻地覆。

Al
Destroying China without a single bullet shot. Boycott all made in China. - UP: 1 DN: 2

不费一枪一弹摧毁中国，抵制所有的中国制造。

mod > Al
Coming from a person with %80 of stihs in his house made or partly made in China while typing on his phone/computer consisted of parts coincidentally, made in China. - UP: 0 DN: 0

有个人，家里有80%的东西是中国制造或者部分中国制造，他正在自己的手机/电脑上打字，而巧合的是这些东西的零件也是中国制造的。

Rice > mod
We don't need China. We have to dependent on others countries for too long - UP: 0 DN: 0

我们不需要中国，长期来讲，我们必须依赖其他国家

mod > Rice
On the flip side, these countries also depending on China. Why do you think they’re band together to discuss how to go around China. That also means 1 disruption from 1 of these band mates will disrupt the whole chain. Then they will need materials, factories and workforce. Materials that China control abundance of, factories are mostly in china and workforce. - UP: 0 DN: 0

另一方面，这些国家也依赖中国。不然你以为他们为什么聚在一起讨论如何绕过中国。这也意味其中一个成员的中断将会破坏整个链条。然后，他们将需要原材料、工厂和劳动力。中国控制着大量的原材料，工厂大多在中国，还有劳动力。

John
china want's to control everything around the whole world ha ha how long has this been going on ha ha it seems over 20 year's - UP: 1 DN: 1

中国想要控制全世界的一切，哈哈，这已经持续多久了，看起来有20多年了

Mustagme
This means the Biden Administration gave them everything they could possibly need. - UP: 0 DN: 4

这意味着拜登政府给了他们可能需要的一切。

The Divine Immortal
This is a numbers game and a matter of demographic studies. China, India, and Africa have A LOT of people. The USA doesn't even have to fit into that equation at all. China will manufacture their own microchips. If America really wants to do well, they will have to actually make the needed changes instead of always trying to focus the blame on China for everything. US has almost insurmountable domestic issues which they ignore and allow to fester, blaming China won't help. America may try to hobble China but that doesn't help America and it exposes bad intent on their part. Instead of the current approach, America should focus on their own domestic problems and try to solve them. - UP: 3 DN: 6

这是一个数字游戏，也是一个人口统计学研究的问题。中国、印度和非洲人口众多。美国甚至根本不需要符合这个等式。中国将会制造自己的微芯片。如果美国真的想做好，他们就必须做出必要的改变，而不是总想把一切都归咎于中国。美国有几乎无法克服的国内问题，他们忽视并任由其恶化，指责中国也于事无补。美国可能试图牵制中国，但这对美国没有帮助，而且暴露了他们的恶意。美国应该把注意力放在自己的国内问题上，并努力解决这些问题，而不是目前的做法。

Michael > The Divine Immortal
they have 4 times the population but americans still outspend them 10 to 1we are the best consumers on the planet and so far every single bill has been paid on time and in cash. - UP: 0 DN: 0

他们的人口是美国的4倍，但美国人的消费仍然比他们高出10倍。我们是这个星球上最好的消费者，到目前为止，每一笔账单都是按时用现金支付的。

John
china want's everything going there way they don't care about any one else - UP: 3 DN: 0

中国希望一切都按照他们的方式进行，他们不关心其他任何人

mod > John
Isn’t that how everyone is?!? What was trump motto again??? We are using up other countries’s resources and stock piling ours until needed. You think US give a tihs about anyone else?!? Time to wake up to reality son. - UP: 0 DN: 0

大家不都是这样吗？特朗普的座右铭是什么来着？我们正在耗尽其他国家的资源，囤积我们自己的资源以备不时之需。你以为美国会在乎别人吗？该醒醒了，孩子。

Rolo
Well done, lmao! Karma- UP: 0 DN: 0

干得好，笑死我了！报应啊

Qingjie
When they want to buy, our government don’t allow our companies or other countries’ companies to sell. When they don’t buy, we complain. - UP: 0 DN: 3

当他们想要买的时候，我们的政府不允许我们公司或其他国家的公司卖给他们。当他们不买的时候，我们就抱怨。

Tony
The complaining will continue and get much more pronounced in the next 5 years with the U.S. working on chip manufacturing outside China. - UP: 1 DN: 0

随着美国继续在芯片制造上排除中国，这种抱怨将继续下去，并在未来5年内变得更加明显。

Fred
The U.S. needs to work harder to integrate South America into the world economy. Let China play it's own game, alone. - UP: 13 DN: 3

美国需要更加努力地让南美融入世界经济。让中国自己玩去吧。

Joe > Fred
Modern life isn't possible without made in China products. Corporate greed has painted us into one hell of a corner. Even as a capitalist, I truly believe that. We need to return our manufacturing base back to America. As long as American politicians keep getting paid to look the other way, that will never happen. And yes. That applies to both democrats and the GOP. With everything that's happening in the world economy today, it's foolish to believe that DC has Americans best interest in mind. - UP: 0 DN: 0

现代生活离不开中国制造的产品。企业的贪婪把我们逼到了绝境。即使作为一个资本家，我也深信不疑。我们需要把我们的制造业基地搬回美国。只要美国政客们继续收钱，睁一只眼闭一只眼，这就永远不会发生。是的。这同样适用于民主党和共和党。考虑到当今世界经济发生的一切，认为华盛顿特区关心美国人民的最大利益，是很愚蠢的。

Walter S. > Fred
South America isn't cheap, kid. It's more expensive. Which means Walmart and Apple phone prices would go up. The other problem is that Silicon's largest producer (by 10 x more than the 2nd place) is......China. Even Taiwan silicon vendors to TSMC cannot cut ties to China. - UP: 0 DN: 1

南美可不便宜啊，孩子。更贵。这意味着沃尔玛和苹果手机的价格将会上涨。另一个问题，世界最大的硅生产国是....中国(比第二名多了10倍)。即使是台积电的台湾硅供应商也无法切断与中国(大陆)的联系。

alf > Fred
OK, I'll stop using toilet paper from now on. A little bit of stinky air never hurts anybody. I am sure Fred will understand and sympathize! - UP: 0 DN: 1

好的，我从现在开始就不用厕纸了。一点点恶臭的空气不会伤害到任何人。我相信Fred会表示理解和同情的！

Al > Fred
No, no, no! US would have done that long ago if it had wanted to. A strong South America is a security threat to the US. Too close for comfort. Even a relatively poor Brazil by western standards is increasingly posing problems. The strategy is keep them not poor enough to send us all the illegals, and not too rich to pose risks. - UP: 2 DN: 2

不，不，不！如果美国愿意，它早就这么做了。一个强大的南美洲是美国的安全威胁。太近了，感觉不舒服。即便是以西方标准衡量相对贫穷的巴西，也正日益构成问题。我们的策略是让他们不要太穷，不要把所有的非法移民都送到我们这里，也不要太富，以免带来风险。

Jerry > Al
I agree 💯 - UP: 0 DN: 2

我同意 💯

Logan > Fred
South America countries are ditching US dollars now - UP: 1 DN: 0

南美国家正在抛弃美元

Laura > Logan
That’s the truth. One year ago my dollar bought 685 Costa Rican colones. Now it buys 535. Keep this up and I’m going to sell my home here and convert to euros instead of dollars. The US is circling the drain. - UP: 0 DN: 1

确实。一年前，我1美元可以换685哥斯达黎加科朗。现在它只能换535。再这样下去，我就要把我的房子卖了换成欧元而不是美元。美国正在走下坡路。

Kol
They not only copy IP, they copy the US Governments policies. Can't they come up with anything original? - UP: 1 DN: 1

他们不仅抄袭了知识产权，还复制了美国政府的政策。他们就不能有点创意吗？

mod > Kol
Wow, you’re dumb. That’s like saying china was one of the earliest civilizations to read and write. Look at US now. US copied them. Why couldn’t US come up with something original. Wait what?!? They also sleep, eat, walk and run?!? No way!!!! US copied that too?!? - UP: 0 DN: 0

哇，你这傻逼啊。这就好比说中国是最早实现读写的文明之一，看看现在的美国。美国抄袭了他们。为什么美国不能想出一些原创的东西。等等，什么情况？？？他们也会睡觉、吃饭、走路和跑步？！？不可能！！！美国也抄袭了？！？

Kol > mod
They not only steals tech IP, they will copy any handbag, sneaker, sunglasses and now......a policy statement that is a word for word copy of US policy. - UP: 0 DN: 0

他们不仅偷取技术知识产权，还复制任何手提包、运动鞋、太阳镜，而现在是... 一字一字复制美国政策的政策声明。

mod > Kol
This was a quick google to what China invented. Paper making, movable printing, gun powder, ALCOHOL, silk, compass, bronze, kite, umbrella, the list goes on and on. Did we lift any of those?!? Where would we be today without alcohol?!? Gun powder? Stop embarrassing yourself son, without stealing from them, we would still be fighting with sticks and stones and getting wet in the rain without knowing where we are naked and without a proper paper contract to sue the other party. - UP: 0 DN: 0

这些是在谷歌搜索的中国发明：造纸、活字印刷、火药、酒精、丝绸、指南针、青铜、风筝、雨伞等等。我们偷过这些东西吗？！？如果没有酒精，我们今天会是什么样子？！？火药呢？别再让自己难堪了，孩子，如果我们不偷他们的东西，我们还在拿着棍子和石头打架，光着屁股淋雨，不知道方向位置，也没有合适的纸质合同来起诉对方。

Abraham
When china do make it. I see the consequences it will be so bad the west will be begging china to work together. Don’t think china can’t make the what the west can. In few months china will announce they too are producing it. Then what lol - UP: 0 DN: 3

当中国成功制造出来的时候。我能看到后果有多糟糕，西方将乞求中国合作。不要认为中国制造不出西方所能制造的东西。几个月后，中国将宣布他们也在制造这种产品。然后呢，哈哈

V
Now the US cried China economy coercion against US companies. - UP: 1 DN: 1

现在，美国叫嚷着中国经济胁迫美国企业。

V
Now no foreign companies can have anything Micron products if the foreign companies operate in China. - UP: 0 DN: 0

现在，如果外国公司在中国经营，那么没有一家可以拿到美光产品了。

smb
They've already stolen the tech. No need to buy it anymore - UP: 0 DN: 1

他们已经偷到了技术，没必要再买了

V
Many American companies in China will get hit by retaliation. - UP: 0 DN: 0

许多在中国的美国公司将受到报复性打击。

V
Micron 10% revenue earning come from China that a big trunk of money Micron will lose out from China market. - UP: 0 DN: 1

美光10%的收入来自中国，这意味在中国市场美光将损失惨重。

theartist
China's statement on micron's products posing a national security risk is practically a direct cut and paste from the US accusation of Huawei's equipment. It will be fun too see the US government response. I hope they don't "resolutely oppose" like Beijing did. Ha! - UP: 20 DN: 4

中国关于美光产品构成国家安全风险的声明，实际上是美国对华为设备指控的直接复制粘贴。看看美国政府的反应也会很有趣的。我希望他们不要像北京那样“坚决反对”。哈！

alf > theartist
Hey, just do as I say and not do as I do. hehe! - UP: 0 DN: 1

嘿，照我说的去做，不要照我做的去做。呵呵！

Spartachino
The Left can't get enough of China and love them. They also hate America. - UP: 1 DN: 3

左派热爱中国，而讨厌美国。

------
Biden has already approved a $100 BILLION Dollar Micron factory in Syracuse, NY that will be creating 9,000 high paying jobs..Biden also helped secure a $20 Billion Dollar IBM semiconductor chip manufacturing extension in upstate New York. - UP: 20 DN: 7

拜登已经批准在纽约州锡拉丘兹建立一家价值1000亿美元的微芯片工厂，这将创造9000个高薪工作岗位... 拜登还帮助纽约州北获得了价值200亿美元的 IBM 半导体芯片制造的扩建项目。

Walter S. > ------
Yeah well here's the problem. Silicon raw material vendors source their silicon from the top mining country in the world (2nd place is 10x less)....you know who is the largest? China. We all wish raw material can be produced elsewhere but not to the level of demand the world wants. - UP: 0 DN: 0

是啊，问题就在这里。硅原料供应商从世界上最大的采矿国家采购硅(是第二名的10倍)...... 你知道谁是最大的国家吗？中国。我们都希望原材料可以在其他地方生产，但并不能达到世界需求的水平。

alf > ------
Dream on, our government knows best. You know, when you are in a hole, just keep digging, and harder. What could possibly go wrong? - UP: 1 DN: 1

做梦吧，我们的政府最清楚。你知道，当你在一个洞里，只是继续挖，更努力地挖。能有什么差错呢？

Wise man > ------
Biden said it ?When ? Did the GOP controlled Congress approve it ? - UP: 0 DN: 2

拜登说的? 什么时候说的? 共和党控制的国会批准了吗？

Katie > ------
What's the logic there? I thought Micron's products are banned, not its manufacturing capacity. Where are they going to find buyers for MORE Micron chips? - UP: 5 DN: 4

这里面的逻辑是什么？我认为禁止的是美光的产品，而不是它的生产能力。他们上哪儿去找更多的美光芯片的买家呢？

Luymas > Katie
"Where are they going to find buyers for MORE Micron chips?" That exactly the question most people are forgetting. China is a huge market for these companies. - UP: 0 DN: 2

“他们上哪儿去找更多的美光芯片的买家？”这正是大多数人都忘记的问题。对这些公司来说，中国是一个巨大的市场。

gb > Katie
will hurt chinese mfgs a lot more than it will micron. - UP: 2 DN: 0

对中国制造业的伤害将远远大于美光。

Katie > gb
er? - UP: 1 DN: 2

呃？

Brain > Katie
I don't bother arguing with these folks any more. Most of them just hurl insults and are seething with anger, which gives me a very poor impression of the average population (I come from the ivy towers so I have limited interactions with the average population).You're right; increasing supply does not increase demand. But if it helped them sleep at night...whatever, right? - UP: 0 DN: 1

我不想再和这些人争论了。他们中的大多数只是生气地骂骂咧咧，这让我对普通人群的印象非常差(我来自象牙塔，所以我与普通人群的互动有限)。你说得对，增加供应不会增加需求。但如果这能让他们晚上睡得安稳... 随便了，对吧？

------ > Katie
In fiscal 2022, Micron recorded revenue of $30.8 Billion Dollars and is the 5th largest chipmaker in the world. - UP: 3 DN: 0

在2022财年，美光的收入为308亿美元，是世界第五大芯片制造商。

Wise man > ------
Did you read Micron's outlook forecast ? - UP: 1 DN: 2

你看过美光的前景预测了吗？

liberal fool
Will this effect the monies the Biden's family gets from China ? Is the Big Guy still getting his 10% from all fentanyl sales ? - UP: 1 DN: 5

这会影响拜登家族从中国获得的资金吗？大人物还能从芬太尼的销售中抽取10%的利润吗？

k
Intel next. Nvidia and Qualcomm later - UP: 1 DN: 0

下一个是英特尔，然后是英伟达和高通

Tough
This will eventually become full blown economic war. - UP: 9 DN: 2

这最终将演变成一场全面的经济战争。

Lilo
THEY STOP BUYING MICRON “ and we stop buying made in China” just for one month and you’ll see how that action will send shockwaves across the Chinese economy. Just imagine how will China will do to feed the billions of Chinese people if we definitely stop buying Made in China and push American manufacturers to move the production out China. !THE ECONOMY OF CHINA SIMPLY WILL COLLAPSE ! - UP: 14 DN: 8

他们停止购买米美光，而“我们停止购买中国制造”，只需一个月，你就会看到这一行动将冲击整个中国经济。试想一下，如果我们明确停止购买“中国制造”，并推动美国制造商将生产转移出中国，中国该如何养活数十亿中国人！中国的经济将会崩溃！

Kalteldarian > Lilo
Let's do it!!! Let's get the party rolling!!!! - UP: 0 DN: 0

让我们开始做吧！！！让我们开始狂欢吧！！！

gary > Lilo
LOL, China has just started with Micron being one of the first companies feeling some pressure. There will be more. - UP: 0 DN: 0

哈哈，中国才刚刚开始，美光是第一批感受到压力的公司之一。还会有更多的。

J > Lilo
It's easily said than done. It will bring everyone high inflation and less quality of products made in other countries. - UP: 0 DN: 0

说起来容易做起来难，这将给每个人带来高通胀，以及其他国家制造的产品质量下降。

Doug > Lilo
WalMart will go belly up if we boycot China's products - UP: 0 DN: 0

如果我们抵制中国的产品，沃尔玛就会破产

Sweet_Poison > Lilo
Oh really? You didn't see how the west stepped over each other just to procure those ppc from China during covid? - UP: 0 DN: 0

哦，真的吗？你没有看到在新冠疫情期间，西方国家互相推搡抢购中国的个人防护装备吗？

randy > Lilo
i think your wrong we couldnt make it without china no more walmart dollar stores and all those cheap things we need - UP: 1 DN: 2

我认为你错了，没有中国、没有沃尔玛一元店、以及所有我们需要的便宜的东西，我们承受不了的

Kol > Lilo
do you recall what supply chain shortages caused during the pandemic? We are far too dependent on China for things to even consider such a move. - UP: 3 DN: 1

你还记得新冠疫情期间，供应链短缺造成了什么后果吗？我们太依赖中国了，根本无法考虑采取这样的行动。

Kalteldarian > Kol
Well let's get INDEPENDENT real fast and see how they like it!! - UP: 0 DN: 0

好吧，让我们尽快摆脱依赖，让他们尝尝这种滋味！！

k > Lilo
....dream on - UP: 2 DN: 1

...就继续做梦吧

Lilo > k
NOT A DREAM CAN BE POSIBLEIf we are just conscious that we are over buying so much junk that we don’t need and that later on ended up piling in our garages not only we will send a clear message to China but also we will help our finances .Example : My sister vs myself For years I have lived only with the most essential and I don’t buy anything unless I really needed it or I need to replace a broken one. By doing so I have save some good money by the end of the year that I use to buy a few CD OR BONDS. Now my sister on the other hand keeps buying all the time she most of the time over buys because she is a compulsive buyer like most women and some men . You got to see her garage is overcrowded with a lot stuff she doesn’t need but if you tell her anything she always find excuses to keep on buying more and more . IN GENERAL: I don’t let our economy System to dictate my consumerism because what maybe good for our economy is not good for my finances. - UP: 0 DN: 0

不是做梦，是有可能的，如果我们意识到我们买了太多不需要的垃圾塞满车库，我们不仅会向中国发出一个明确的信息，而且有助于我们的财务状况。例如：我妹妹 vs 我自己多年来只过着最基本的生活，我不会买任何东西，除非我真的需要，或者我需要更换坏了的东西。通过这样做，我在年底节省了一些钱，我用这些钱买了几张CD或债券。另一方面，我妹妹一直在过度消费，因为她和大多数女性和部分男性一样，都是强迫症买家。你会看到她的车库里塞满了不需要的东西。但如果你提醒她，她总是会找借口继续买更多的东西。
总而言之：我不会让我们的经济体系来支配我的消费观，因为对我们经济有利的东西对我的财务不利。

Sweet_Poison > Lilo
Yeah? Who's going to make everything from Christmas decorations to iPhone and Tesla? You think US is the only customer for China? Stop one month of Chinese import and you will find 80% of store shelf empty, you will see riot on streets before you see China flinched. - UP: 0 DN: 0

是吗？谁来制作从圣诞装饰到iPhone、特斯拉的所有东西？难道你认为美国是中国唯一的客户吗？停止一个月的中国进口，你就会发现80%的商店货架空了，在你看到中国退缩之前，你会先看到街上的暴乱。

Ray
Good, this may lead to less Chinese junk cluttering store shelves! - UP: 18 DN: 2

很好，这样就可以减少商店货架上堆满的中国垃圾！

Smitty > Ray
People will still buy china products for a decade. Who are you kidding? - UP: 0 DN: 0

在未来十年内，人们仍然会购买中国产品。你在开什么玩笑？

Charles > Ray
and close down Walmart, Target and Amazon. - UP: 1 DN: 3

关闭沃尔玛，塔吉特和亚马逊。

Jimmy
Good move by China. USA chipmakers are already in free fall, desérvedly so, for politicizing their sales. - UP: 3 DN: 17

中国干得好。美国芯片制造商把销售政治化，已经陷入自由落体的状态了，这是理所当然的。

Darren
Send all Chinese Nationals back to china - UP: 3 DN: 9

把所有中国公民送回中国

steve
I really do not understand how the west can sanction China over and over again and then get indignent when they sanction back. - UP: 5 DN: 4

我真的不明白，西方怎么能一次又一次地制裁中国，而当他们反过来制裁自己时，却生气了。

RussianJew
China retaliation will devastate western chip and chip equipment manufacturers. $300bln a year of import - they will reduce it one third and half of western companies go out of business. The other half will beg Chinese for forgiveness. That simple. - UP: 6 DN: 18

中国的报复将给西方芯片和芯片设备制造商带来沉重打击。每年3000亿美元的进口——他们将减少三分之一，会有一半的西方企业倒闭，另外一半会向中国人乞求原谅。就这么简单。

Someone
why china's cautioning its companies against micron's chips is "stepping up feud with United States"? - UP: 5 DN: 2

为什么中国警告其公司不要使用美光的芯片是在“加剧与美国的不和”？

Tee Mee
iPhones are made in China. I can guarantee you I’m on my last iPhone. - UP: 18 DN: 4

IPhone是中国制造的，我可以向你保证，这是我最后一部iPhone了。

Kalteldarian > Tee Mee
Me too!!!! - UP: 0 DN: 0

我也是！！！

Bill > Tee Mee
You're an Apple sheep bro' You'll buy the next one out. - UP: 0 DN: 0

你是一个果粉，兄弟，你会买下一部的。

randy > Tee Mee
so many things are made in china you might as well give up on life - UP: 0 DN: 1

很多东西都是中国制造的，你不妨放弃生活吧

Kim > Tee Mee
You should kill yourself with a "Made in China" knife. I bet you would! - UP: 1 DN: 1

你应该用一把“中国制造”的刀自杀。我打赌你会的！

alf > Tee Mee
Hey, why not just throw your iPhone right now? Come on, I'm sure you can do it. Oh no? - UP: 0 DN: 1

嘿，为什么不现在就扔掉你的 iPhone 呢？加油，我相信你能做到的。噢，做不到吗？

Donut > Tee Mee
You might have a hard time finding any other cellphone that is made somewhere besides China. Just saying. - UP: 2 DN: 1

除了中国，你可能很难找到其他地方制造的手机了。只是说着玩。

Retired1 > Donut
Samsung shut its last facility in China last year. They no longer manufacture phone there. - UP: 0 DN: 0

三星去年关闭了在中国的最后一家工厂，不再在中国生产手机。

Logan > Retired1
Samsung phone also has components manufactured in China - UP: 0 DN: 0

三星手机也有中国制造的部件

Darren > Tee Mee
I salute you. Shame on isheep!!! - UP: 0 DN: 0

我向你致敬，真为果粉感到羞耻！！！

Katie
Does this qualify as "economic coercion" or just plain retaliation? lol - UP: 7 DN: 0

这算是“经济胁迫”还是纯粹的报复？哈哈

Kol > Katie
it's titt for tatt - UP: 0 DN: 0

这是以牙还牙