[2023-02-16]Reddit国外剧评：电视剧《三体》

tcfsymbiote
netflix ain't topping this Ye Wenjie. Young and Old

网飞无法超越这个版本的叶文洁，年轻的和年老的

JimSSFC -> tcfsymbiote
No worry, they are going to add nude scenes and sex scenes

不用担心，他们会增加裸体和性爱镜头

cameos
Ye Wenjie was my most favorite character of all 3 books. And this show makes me love her even more.

在这三本书中，叶文洁是我最喜欢的角色，这部电视剧让我更爱她了。

OnlyResponsibility22
Top 1 acting, both young and old actresses for Ye Wenjie.

最好的演技，叶文洁年轻女演员和老演员。

Olivebuddiesforlife
extremely relatable as a creator isolated from the city.

作为一个与城市隔绝的创造者，非常让人产生共鸣。

integralsnakes
Both actresses for Ye Wenjie are doing fantastic work!! I loved the contrast between Old Ye’s pensive monologues and Young Ye’s quiet brooding throughout this episode. Ye Wenjie’s character development isn’t quite what I hoped for though, at least not yet. I pin a lot of blame for this on censorship because we miss a lot of the events (book spoilers) that trigger her hatred for humanity. It’s hard for me to imagine the Young Ye that we’ve seen throughout the last few episodes making the choices that she does. I mean, she kills her husband and Lei after dooming all of humanity. With the smiles and strong emotions that she’s shown, this just seems impossible. Maybe that’s the point, or maybe the writers plan to show a severe shift in the next couple of episodes that guides Ye to the decisions she makes. Either way, I’m excited for what’s next!

叶文洁的两位女演员都表现得非常出色！！在这一集中，我喜欢老叶文洁沉思的独白，和小叶文洁安静的沉思之间的对比。叶文洁的性格发展并不完全符合我的预期，至少现在还没有。我会将此归咎于审查制度，因为我们遗漏了很多事件(书中的剧透)，触发了她对人类的仇恨。我很难想象我们在前几集中看到的小叶文洁会做出这样的选择。我的意思是，她在毁灭了全人类之后，还杀了她的丈夫和雷志成。从她的微笑和强烈的情感来看，这似乎不可能。也许这就是重点，也许编剧们计划在接下来的几集中表现出一种剧烈的转变，引导叶文洁做出她所做的决定。不管怎样，我很期待接下来的故事！

ray0923 -> integralsnakes
She did not tell Wang Miao the whole truth though. She is very good at using part of the truth to tell a good story.

不过，她没有把全部真相告诉汪淼。她非常善于用部分真相来讲一个好故事。

Evergreen_Dazed_
The best episode ever! It's so beautiful with the feeling of deep, wide silence and solitude.
When Ye Wenjie talked about the loneliness she felt when listen to the sound of the universe, it brought me to tears. Her innocent and melancholy temperament is really charming. In essence, she is a genuine scholar. No wonder Wang Miao respected her so much!! When I read the book, I never tried to understand her and simply took her as a tragic character with terrible experience. But now she has become my favorite character in the series.

有史以来最好的一集！有着深沉、宽广的寂静和孤独的感觉，非常美妙。
当叶文洁谈到她在聆听宇宙的声音所感受到的孤独时，我流下了眼泪。她天真忧郁的气质真的很迷人。从本质上说，她是一个真正的学者。难怪汪淼那么尊敬她! ！当我读这本书的时候，我从来没有试着去理解她，只是把她当作一个有着可怕经历的悲剧人物。但现在她已经成为了我在这部电视剧中最喜欢的角色。

stdstaples
God I love this episode so much. I don’t care about the pace I want to savor every fxxing moment of the plot from the book. The acting in this episode was out of this world.

我的天，我太喜欢这一集了。我不在乎节奏，我只想细细品味书中每一个“卧槽”的时刻。这一集的表演太精彩了。

ISmellBBQ
Man, they are really blue balling everyone with the reveal. I mean I love the slow pace but at the same time, I feel kinda bad for the non-readers.

兄弟，他们真的把所有人都搞得晕头转向。我的意思是，我喜欢这种慢节奏，但同时，我为那些非读者感到有点难过。

Creamhilde -> ISmellBBQ
As a non reader (I'm waiting till the series ends to start reading), I think the pacing is okay. I've heard the books are a hard read and could be confusing so IMO the pacing is making it easy to follow

作为一个非读者(我在等这部电视剧结束后再开始阅读)，我认为节奏还可以。我听说这些书很难读，可能会让人感到困惑，所以在我看来，这种节奏很容易跟上。

thekrock23 -> ISmellBBQ
I've told a couple of people already who haven't read the books that this is a tough watch without some background on the story.

我已经告诉一些还没有读过这些书的人，如果不了解一些故事的背景，会很难看懂。

nmrk -> ISmellBBQ
A friend of mine said that if this series doesn't get moving soon, he's quitting. I told him, this series suffers from a common filmmaking problem, and SF films in particular: too much spoken exposition. There is an old Hollywood saying, "Don't tell them, show them." This series has so much potential to show us things, so far it's mostly wasted on exposition.

我的一个朋友说，如果这部电视剧不尽快推进剧情，他就不看了。我告诉他，这部剧有一个常见的电影制作问题，特别是科幻电影：太多的阐述。好莱坞有句老话：“别对他们说，而是给他们看”，这部剧有很大的潜力向我们展示一些东西，但到目前为止，它主要是浪费在阐述上。

883km
Does lord care?

主在乎吗？

SpyFromMars
Sadly they skipped the easteregg about MaoZedong, it was one of the best quotes in the original novel.

遗憾的是，他们跳过了关于毛的彩蛋，这是原著中最精彩的语录之一。

ciViNda -> SpyFromMars
It's understandable. Adding this para would be a risk for the censorship and also break the consistency of the plot.

这可以理解。添加这一段会给审查制度带来风险，也会打破剧情的连贯性。

Coanzu -> ciViNda
that won't be censored at all, as most Chinese by far loves seeing Mao's stuffs, especially his comment here shows his poetic nature which people love to see.

根本不会被审查，因为大多数中国人都喜欢看毛的作品，尤其是他的评论显示了他的诗性，这是人们喜欢的

bhonbeg -> SpyFromMars
What was it? I do t recall. Also what page or chapter of the book are we on so far I want to follow along

是什么？我不记得了。还有，现在是播放到书的哪一页或哪一章，我想跟上

JimSSFC -> bhonbeg
The "supreme leader of the Red Bank project" is Mao Zedong himself.
In the book it was right before Ye read the letter to the aliens(4th edition), the first one is basic propaganda, when it was sent to Mao for verification, Mao replied:
"Read.(Chinese superior leaders' written language for "I have read this thing"). What the fk is this shit. If ur writing propaganda posters keep it on the ground, don't send the shit up to the sky. The CR leader group stays away from the Red Bank project's operation since today. A letter of such importance should be written with cautious, you might need an independent group, and pass the draft on the Political Consultative Conference."
And then u got the 4th draft in this drama, which is the one that actually got up to the sky.
This is probably the top 3 anticipated scenes for Chinese audiences. Sadly it got canceled lol. The only thing left for him was a line of comment from Wenjie.
The drama, however, showed directly that Mao was considering the dark forest as a possibility.

“红岸工程的最高领导人”是毛本人。
在书中，就在叶读到《致外星人的信》(第四版)之前，第一版是基本的宣传，当它被送到毛那里审核的时候，毛回答说:
“已阅。(中国高层领导“我读过这文件了”的书面语)。狗屁不通。大字报在地上贴就行了，不要发到天上去，文革领导组今后不要介入红岸。这样重要的信件应郑重起草，最好成立一个专门小组，并在政治局会议上讨论通过。”
然后你就有了这部剧的第四版，已经飞上了太空。
这可能是中国观众最期待的三个场景之一。可惜取消了，哈哈。唯一留下的只有叶文洁的一句话。
然而，这部剧直接表明毛正在考虑黑暗森林的可能性。

Ysilla
This show is some masterclass edging, every time you think it's going to happen, it only just gets a tiny bit closer.
Kind of exceeding all my expectations so far, really looking forward to next episodes.

这部剧有一些大师级的渐进地方，每次你认为事情要发生了的时候，它只是更接近一丁点。
目前为止有点超出我的预期，真的很期待下一集。

Ok-Recover-7074 -> Ysilla
yes,the pace is too slow
Originally planned for 24 episodes, the series has expanded to 30.
I think the director had to slow down the editing.
The reason is that for 30 episodes, you have to buy a two-month subscri1ption to watch them.

是的，节奏太慢了
这部剧原计划是24集，现在已经扩展到30集。
我想导演不得不放慢剪辑。
原因是，如果要看到30集，你必须购买两个月的会员。

xcivy
Why didn’t Wang Miao ask her about the countdown timer or the blinking event he had encountered?
How would Ye respond if he asked the above?

为什么汪淼不问她倒计时的情况，也不问他遇到的宇宙闪烁事件？
如果他问了这个问题，叶文洁会如何回答？

Emergency-Box-883 -> xcivy
There would be no Three-Body Trilogy if Ye Wenjie didn't reply to Trisolaran.

如果叶文洁没有回复三体人，就不会有《三体》三部曲了

bhonbeg -> Emergency-Box-883
She replied to trisolairs before wang meow

她在汪喵之前，就回复三体人了

Compl3x_image -> bhonbeg
“wang meow” omg so cute( ̀⌄ ́)

“汪喵”我的天，太可爱了( ̀⌄ ́)

Eyelickah
Did they use a clip from the end of For All Mankind season 1 at about 21:36?

他们是不是用了《为全人类》第一季结尾21:36的片段？

MrAlaz10 -> Eyelickah
Yup I'm pretty sure I heard some Marvel music in there too.

是的，我很确定，我还听到了一些漫威音乐。

ZTJim
Just finished it. What an amazing episode. My favorite one so far. Both Ye Wenjie are just perfect, especially when they are looking right at us. There are certainly some flaws in this show but moments after moments like these only make me so happy.

刚看完。非常精彩的一集。目前为止我最喜欢的一集。两个叶文洁都很完美，尤其是她们直视我们的时候。这部剧当然有一些瑕疵，但是像这样的瞬间一个接一个出现，让我非常开心。

Equivalent_Alps_8321
show is too slow

电视剧太慢了

prodical -> Equivalent_Alps_8321
For non book readers this much be agony having absolutely no answers given by episode 18. Us book readers it’s much easier as we know what’s gonna happen but it’s also a constant tease waiting for the reveal. I think 20 episodes would have been plenty, shit even 15 could easily cover all the important scenes in the book. All that being said I am enjoying it.

对于非读者来说，第18集完全没有答案真是太痛苦了。我们这些读者知道接下来会发生什么，这就轻松多了，但这也是一个等待揭晓的持续挑逗。我觉得20集已经足够了，即使是15集也可以轻而易举地涵盖书中所有重要的场景。尽管如此，我还是很享受这部电视剧。

Equivalent_Alps_8321 -> prodical
I'm a book reader and I think it's too slow lol

我是读者，就是觉得太慢了，哈哈

Godbody120
It’s already a tough read for those not into hard sci fi lol

对于那些不喜欢硬科幻小说的人来说，这本书已经够难读了 哈哈

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Ysilla
To me the pacing is perfect so far. I was worried the show would go too fast without digging much into many character's past and relationships, but it really exceeded my expectations.
I LOVE slow / contemplative shows and movies though, I can understand not everyone will enjoy it. I've even been watching most episodes at least twice in a row for stuff I might have missed.
(kind of spoilery below if you haven't read the books I guess)
There's really a lot of new info in this episode overall, with all the details about Evans / ETO / Judgment Day from the discussion between Evans and Ye, the Battle Command Center being on the right track, Wei's background explaining why he's so important to every ETO faction, Da Shi/Wang starting to look into the dodgy stuff between Ye and Yang/Lei and being way more than suspicious of her now. Almost all the pieces have been set.

对我来说，目前为止的节奏都很完美。我之前担心这部剧会发展得太快，没有深入挖掘很多角色的过去和关系，但它真的超出了我的预期。
我喜欢慢镜头或者沉思的剧作电影，但是我能理解并不是每个人都喜欢。大部分剧集我甚至连续看了至少两遍，寻找我可能错过的东西。
(如果你还没有读过这些书的话，下面可能会有些剧透)
这一集真的有很多新信息，从伊文斯和叶文洁的讨论中，了解到关于伊文斯/ETO/审判日号的所有细节，战斗指挥中心走上了正轨，魏成的背景说明了他为什么对 ETO 的各个派系都如此重要，大使/汪淼开始调查叶文洁和杨卫宁/雷志成之间的可疑事件，现在对她更加怀疑了。几乎所有的棋子都已经摆好了。

OnlyResponsibility22
One episode a day is sooooooo painful. But Tencent is selling packages including all episodes this Friday, don’t know if I’ll buy it and finish the show at once.
I like the visualization of Wei Chen’s brainstorm, the serenity, mystery of three-body problem and the universe. It’s like a piece of art.
BTW anyone noticed Ye Wenjie grew like a few inches taller when she got old🤣 like the height difference between her and Evans definitely changed.

一天一集真太痛苦啊。但是腾讯正在出售包含本周五所有剧集的套餐，不知道我要不要买，然后立刻看完这部剧。
我喜欢魏成头脑风暴的形象化，宁静神秘的三体问题和宇宙。就像一件艺术品。
顺便说一下，有人注意到叶文洁在她老的时候长高了几英寸吗🤣，她和伊文思之间的身高差简直完全改变了。

asamori_fuka -> OnlyResponsibility22
I will definitely buy it if they do so. This is the way they make money (since you can get everything in the end freely if you have patience). 18 Yuan or 3 bucks thing is less than a cup of Starbucks. Why not if I am a royal fan of the original work who would like them to adapt the 2nd and 3rd books?
I've bought some of the Tencent dramas in advance some years ago, which I thought were great.
I am not advertising anything here.
I am working in the creative industry. I know how real money from customers can help writers, artists and whoever working in it keeping doing things better.

如果腾讯这样做的话，我一定会买的。这就是他们赚钱的方式(因为如果你有耐心，最后你也可以免费看完)。18元或者3美元，比一杯星巴克还便宜。如果我是原著的忠实粉丝，想让他们改编第二和第三本书，为什么会不买呢？
几年前我买过一些腾讯电视剧的超前放映，我感觉很棒。
我不是在做什么广告。
我是从事创意产业的。我知道客户的真金白银可以帮助作家、艺术家以及任何从事这项工作的人把事情做得更好。

TangiersIsGod -> OnlyResponsibility22
Do you know how to buy these episodes? I subscribed to the YT-Channel of Tencent but I guess I wont be able to buy the episodes via Yt.

你知道怎么买这些剧集吗？我订阅了腾讯的YouTube频道，但我感觉不能在YouTube上购买这些剧集。

OnlyResponsibility22 -> TangiersIsGod
Currently they’re selling the package on tencent Chinese app. Not sure if it’s on YT as well.

目前他们正在腾讯的中国应用程序上销售这个套餐，但不确定有没有也在YouTube上销售。

olovaden
I am really enjoying the pace and everything. The only thing was Evans felt... weird. I think it's mostly the way his voice was dubbed. He just didn't feel as natural as everyone else in the show so far.

我真的很喜欢这个节奏和所有方面。唯一的问题是伊文思，感觉...很奇怪。我想主要是因为他配音的方式。到目前为止，感觉不像剧里的其他人那么自然。

OnlyResponsibility22 -> olovaden
Same. As someone who can speak both mandarin and English, I can clearly notice that when the actor speaks Chinese, it’s slooooow but when he speaks English, it’s so fast paced, it’s so weird.

一样的感觉。作为一个既会说普通话又会说英语的人，我可以清楚地注意到，当演员说中文的时候，速度很慢，但是当他说英语的时候，节奏就很快，太奇怪了。

olovaden -> OnlyResponsibility22
Right!! I just watched some other videos of the actor and he sounds totally normal/natural in both languages, I don't know why he is dubbed like that.

是的！！我刚刚看了这位演员的其他视频，他的这两种语言听起来都很正常/自然，我不知道为什么他会被这样配音。

Then-Letterhead7595 -> olovaden
It's always been hard to act in a non-native language, and It's also hard for the crew to find someone who can act good enough in a non-native language.

用非母语表演总是很困难的，而且剧组也很难找到一个能用非母语表演得足够好的人。

Ghost-Walker81 -> Then-Letterhead7595
It's also hard for the crew to find a native American in China who can remember and deliver lots of Chinese lines in general I guess.

我认为对于剧组成员来说，在中国很难找到一个能够记住并传达大量中文台词的美国本地人。

DueNorthBushOperator
Evans is much younger than the one in my imagination. I actually like those show original bits of Wei Cheng. Surprisingly it's true there's a few very modern but not cult Buddhist temples for very smart people who wanna withdraw from society. One of them just outside Beijing. I wondered if the show was taking inspiration from any of them for the scenes.

伊文思比我想象中的要年轻得多。其实我挺喜欢魏成的那些原创片段。令人惊讶的是，确实有一些非常现代但没有宗教习俗的佛教寺庙，为那些想要退出社会的聪明人士准备的。北京郊外就有一个。我很好奇这部剧是不是从其中获得了场景灵感。

Ghost-Walker81 -> DueNorthBushOperator
Evans somehow looks more sophisticated and sturdy in the Manhua and also on the promo photos for the unfinished theater movie from 2016 or so.

不知为何，伊文思在漫画上看起来更加成熟和结实，在2016年左右未完成的电影宣传照片上也是如此。

DueNorthBushOperator -> Ghost-Walker81
Never read the manga. I suppose they didn't really have a pool of professional English speaking actors to pick one that could play younger and older Evans.

从没看过漫画。我想他们没有一批会说英语的专业演员库，来挑选一个可以扮演年轻和年长伊文思的演员。

-dontlookatme
I recommend not watching every day, wait until Sunday to watch all the episodes of the week at one go, and even with 2x speed, then you will get the HBO experience

我建议不要每天都看，等到星期天再一次看完一周的所有剧集，即使是2倍速播放，你也会有 HBO 的体验

nmrk
I thought they were going to do the whole trilogy in 30 episodes, so at first I wondered why it was moving so slowly.
Some of it is slow moving to me, like I didn't need Von Neumann's exposition about AND OR gates, I learned that in college decades ago, but then, not all viewers have a background in CompSci. But that human computer with millions of people as gates, I haven't seen anything that audacious since I heard that someone made a working Intel CPU in Minecraft. Maybe we need the microcosmic view going all the way up to the macrocosm, and the cosmos.

我还以为他们会在30集里讲完整个三部曲，所以一开始我很好奇为什么进度这么慢。
其中一些对我来说很缓慢，比如我不需要冯·诺依曼关于“与或门”的解释，我在几十年前的大学里就知道了，但是，并不是所有的观众都有计算机科学的背景。但是那个有着数百万人作为门的人列计算机，自从我听说有人在 Minecraft 制造了一个可以工作的英特尔中央处理器之后，我就再也没有见过这么大胆的东西了。也许我们需要从微观的视角，一直延伸到宏观世界和宇宙。

kinvore
They're letting out about 10 minutes of info in a 45 minute episode, at least for the past 2 or 3. I think I'm just gonna wait until they're all released and watch them then.

他们在45分钟的一集中只透露大约10分钟的信息量，至少在过去的2到3集中是这样的。我想我还是等他们都放送了再看吧。

nigetaro -> kinvore
i am comfortable with this speed, cover many detail in the book, you want to watch very fast progress? discover,invaded,confronting alien all in one season? wait for the netflix

我对这个速度很满意，书中涵盖了很多细节，你想看节奏很快的吗？在一季中发现、入侵、对抗外星人？等网飞版的吧

kinvore -> nigetaro
I don't need "very fast progress", I just need actual progress instead of wasting so much time.
I'm sure the Netflix adaptation will have better pacing, but that's probably all that it'll have that's better.

我不需要“非常快的节奏”，我只需要实际的进展，而不是浪费这么多的时间。
我敢肯定网飞的改编版会有更好的节奏，但这可能是它唯一的亮点了。

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That-Cauliflower8806
Liu's writing focus on the story and the ideas more, the character in #1 feels more like symbols to me(besides Da shi of course). But i goota say the show really put the characters into real life!

刘慈欣的写作更注重故事和思想，对我来说，第一部中的人物更像是符号(当然，除了大史)。但我得说，这部剧真的把人物融入了现实生活！

castorxu
wow it's getting better! now i really feel sorry for Shen Yufei and for Wang Miao to see the crime scene

哇，越来越精彩了！现在我真为申玉菲和汪淼看到犯罪现场而感到难过

OnlyResponsibility22
I love how they gave Shen Yufei and Wei Chen vivid personalities in this episode and I feel so sorry for Shen Yufei. In the book, they were just like one-dimensional characters.

我喜欢他们在这一集中赋予申玉菲和魏成鲜明的个性，我为申玉菲难过。在书中，他们就像是一维的人物。

Evergreen_Dazed_
Suprised to find that the words Shen Yufei said before her death is a tribute to Roy Batty in Blade Runner!

惊讶地发现，申玉菲临死前说的那句话，是对《银翼杀手》中罗伊 · 巴蒂的致敬！

Stinger-N
The performance of Wei Cheng 's actors is so good

魏成的演员表演得很好

Emergency-Box-883 -> Stinger-N
Great supporting actor.

很棒的配角。

bhonbeg -> Stinger-N
I’ve met that type of person before. Timid merry etc, plenty of them in tech world

我以前见过这种类型的人，羞怯单纯之类的，在科技世界里有很多

OnlyResponsibility22
Noooooooooooo. Shen Yufei is one of my favorite characters and I love the actress too I kinda wanted her to appear in the show to the end😞😞😞

不~~~~~，申玉菲是我最喜欢的角色之一，我也很喜欢这个女演员，我有点希望她能活到剧集的最后

asamori_fuka
What a crime scene! And Miao Miao has become Da Shi's Mr. Watson in this show. LOL.

好一个犯罪现场啊！在这一集中，淼淼成为了大史的华生。哈哈。

ColeS80
Screenwriter postpones Shin Yufei's death. After discovering that the three-body problem was insoluble, Shen Yufei suddenly experienced what Yang Dong felt before she died.
A wonderful adaptation, a masterpiece.

编剧推迟了申玉菲的死亡。在发现三体问题无解之后，申玉菲突然体会到了杨冬临死前的感受。
精彩的改编，杰作。

marsyao -> ColeS80
Yang Dong died for a completely different reason

杨冬的死因完全不同

integralsnakes
This is the first episode where they actually use the word “Trisolaris,” right? It’s weird to me how they just throw it in there. Wang Miao uses the name while in the game, too, as if he fully knows that it means. Plot hole/oversight, perhaps?

这是他们第一次用“三体人”这个词吧？我觉得很奇怪，他们怎么就这么放进去了。汪淼在游戏中也使用了这个名字，好像他完全知道这个词的意思。也许是剧情漏洞/疏忽？

OnlyResponsibility22 -> integralsnakes
Maybe it’s because it’s natural for mandarin, word by word translation of 三体人(trisolarans) is “three body people”. For mandarin, you just add “people” after, they already known the name of the game is three body, so for people who live on three body world it’s three body people. But for English, it’s three body problem game and trisolarans in English context it would be weird they know the word trisolaris right away.

也许只是因为普通话这样说很自然，三体人（Trisolarans）的逐字翻译就是 “三体星-人（three body people）”。对于普通话来说，你只要在后面加上“人”即可，他们已经知道这个游戏的名字叫三体，所以对于生活在三体世界的人来说，就是三体人了。但对于英语来说，这是三体游戏，所以在英语环境中你就觉得他们能马上知道“三体人（Trisolarans）”很奇怪。

radioli -> OnlyResponsibility22
This is a translation issue of the subtitles. At least in this episode, it should be better to literally translate "三体人" as "three-body people", and "三体文明" as "three-body civilization". The name of this game "Three Body" is the first and only way Wang Miao got to know this extra-terrestrial civilization. He realized that this game is an emulation to show the living experience of Shen's "Lord" during playing this game and helping Da Shi's investigation. This is just a direct way to call new things you just get to know. In the Chinese version, this direct name is kept.
Except ETO, people didn't know this alien civilization though they are discussing the three suns' problem in the Three Body game. The formally constructed translation "Trisolaris" (and "Trisolarans", tri-solar is for three suns as you know) should be saved for later scenes like the police investigation reports, PDC military meetings or the ETO gatherings. They won't need a formal word to call those aliens until then.

这是字幕的翻译问题。至少在这一集里，把 "三体人”直译为 "三体星人"，把 "三体文明 "直译为 "三体星文明 "应该会更好。这个游戏的名字“三体”是汪淼认识这个地外文明的第一个也是唯一的途径。他意识到，这个游戏是一种模仿，在游戏当中体验申玉菲的“主”的经历，以及帮助大史的调查。这只是对刚认识的新事物的一种直接称呼。在中文版本中，这种直接的称呼被保留下来。
虽然人们在三体游戏中讨论三个太阳的问题，但除了ETO外，他们并不知道这个外星文明。正式译文的“三体人(Trisolaris)”（如你所知，tri-solar 就是三个太阳的意思）应该留到后来的场景，比如警察调查报告、PDC军事会议或者ETO 集会。在那之前，他们不需要正式的词汇来称呼那些外星人。

OnlyResponsibility22 -> radioli
Agreed.

同意。

integralsnakes -> OnlyResponsibility22
That makes so much sense, thanks!

非常有道理，谢谢！

cameos -> OnlyResponsibility22
Yeah, Chinese sometimes just use 人 (people / person) to refer to anything that has a life, for example, cats and dogs are often referred as 喵星人 / 汪星人, literally, meow planet people / woof planet people.

是的，中国人有时只用“人”来指代任何有生命的东西，例如，猫和狗通常被称为“喵星人”/“汪星人”，字面意思是喵喵星上面的人/汪汪星上面的人。

KingLeoricSword -> cameos
So we are all gobble planet people.

所以我们都是咯星人（注：咯咯星上面的人）。

Silver_Foxx -> integralsnakes
They did use the term "Trisolar" in a previous episode talking about the three suns, but I think this is the first time they straight up named "Trisolaris" the planet and the "Trisolaran Civilization".

在前一集讨论三个太阳的时候，他们确实使用了“三个太阳(Trisolar)”这个词，但我认为这是他们第一次直接命名这个行星为“三体”和“三体文明”。

hanglu -> integralsnakes
I think its just like this
san ti = america
san ti ren = american
Trisolaris = United States of America
The difference between spoken language and terminology, the word Trisolaris has no terminology or the word does not explicitly refer to a Three-Body planet people for now until the mystery is revealed.
Before it was made as a proprietary term the triton actually referred to the intelligent beings of the triton planets, which is perhaps the difficulty in translating Chinese into English. Chinese can refer to the derivative relationship between them by simply adding a word 人ren after the three-body planet.

我觉得就像这样：
三体(san ti) = america（美国）
三体人(san ti ren) = american（美国人）
三体(Trisolaris) = United States of America（美利坚合众国）
口语和术语之间的区别，Trisolaris 这个词不是术语，或者说这个词暂时没有明确指代三体行星的人，直到谜底揭晓。在被作为专有术语之前，Triton实际上指的是Triton行星的智慧生命，这也许是将中文翻译成英文的困难所在。中文只要在三体后面加一个“人”字，就可以指代它们之间的衍生关系了。

jyf921
Shen—Yu—Fei——

申—玉—菲—

icepick020
I am starting to think that the show will insert Yang Dong’s Book 3 scene into the series. There’s too much emphasis about why she would commit suicide.

我开始觉得这部剧会把杨冬在第三册的场景插入其中。太强调她为什么要自杀了。

wattababy
I love that they’re doing pretty much all the convos in the books and all but I do wish they’d sped it up a bit. Also, I believe by now in the book we knew Trisolaris was a real place. They seem to have switched scenes around the last two eps only to draw it out even more.

我喜欢他们几乎还原了书中所有的会议，但我真的希望他们能加快一点。此外，我相信现在在书中，我们已经知道三体星是一个真实的地方了。他们似乎在最后两集的时候换了场景，只是为了把剧情拉得更长。

cameos
I am a little worried that minor characters take too much screen time (Wei Cheng has 2 episodes). We still have tons of important and iconic events ahead, AFAIK, Ye Wenjie's 1971 event will be in ep24, they must speed up their pace in last 5 episodes.

我有点担心，配角占用太多的屏幕时间了(魏成有2集)。我们还有很多重要的标志性事件，据我所知，叶文洁1971年的事件将在第24集出现，他们必须在最后5集加快节奏。

Maleficent_Oven_1780 -> cameos
I think it should be fine. We are still 1/3 away from the ending and all three storylines are already on the final stretch. Plus they altered the pace of the book a bit and already explored the ETO factions, which will save a lot if time when it comes to the gathering and its fallout.
However I do worry about the extent of the portrayal of the trisolaris civilisation post-operation guzheng. They did cast the voice actors for some trisolaris but the screen time might be pretty limited.

我觉得应该没问题。我们离结局还有三分之一的距离，而且三条故事线都已经进入最后阶段了。此外，他们稍微改变了书的节奏，并且探讨了 ETO 的派系，如果涉及到聚会以及影响时，这将节省很多时间。
不过，我确实担心在古筝行动后对三体文明的表现程度。他们确实为一些三体人挑选了配音演员，但是屏幕时间可能相当有限。

cameos -> Maleficent_Oven_1780
We are still 1/3 away from the ending and all three storylines are already on the final stretch.
Sure hope so. But from the trailers of ep21-ep24 it feels quite slow for the red coast story, leaving the last 5 episodes are very event-packed.

“我们离结局还有三分之一的距离，而且三条故事线都已经进入最后阶段了”
希望如此吧。但是从第21-24集的预告片来看，红岸的故事节奏相当缓慢，剩下最后5集的内容，会非常丰富。

Ghost-Walker81
Can someone help me with the facts again? It has been some time since I read the books...
Shen Yufei wants to find a solution for the 3B Problem, solely so the Trisolarans can stay on their own home world w/o having to invade Earth. Then why would she try to pursuade Wang Miao to stop his nano research? If the trisolarans don't come here, there'd be no need to stop Earth civilization from making technological advancements, isn't it?

有人能再帮我捋一捋情节吗？我已经有一段时间没看这本书了...
申玉菲想要找到三体问题的解决方案，这样三体人就可以留在他们自己的母星上，而不必入侵地球了。那她为什么要劝汪淼停止他的纳米研究呢？如果三体人不来这里，就没有必要阻止地球文明的科技进步，不是吗？

-dontlookatme -> Ghost-Walker81
I think Shen Yufei was not the one who wanted to stop Wang's research, it was adventists' or trisolarians' direct will. Shen herself was also a nanophysicist, she probabily has also met something unbelievable, which made her turn to the study of Three-body problem.
She knew it was adventists or trisolarians themselves who felt threatened by nano research and made the tricks. All she wished was to help trisolarians solve their problem and keep them in trisolaris so that the invasion won't happen.
That's why when Wang asked her for help, she said "Just TRY (to stop) it"

我认为不是申玉菲想要阻止汪淼的研究，而是降临派或者三体人的直接意愿。申玉菲本人也是一位纳米物理学家，她可能也遇到了一些令人难以置信的事情，这促使她转向研究三体问题。
她知道是降临派或者三体人自己觉得受到纳米研究的威胁，所以才搞出这些花招。她所希望的只是帮助三体人解决他们的问题，让他们留在三体星，这样就不会有入侵了。
这就是为什么当汪淼向她求助的时候，她会说：“试着停下来吧”

Ghost-Walker81 -> -dontlookatme
Right, that could make sense actually. She was merely telling him how to stop the countdown, not to stop working against Lord and her own interests. On the other hand she seems to have arranged the flickering of the universe especially for him, so still it seems like she was being "used" as a liason between the ETO hardliners and Wang Miao. Since she hasn't heard anything from 'Lord' herselft, it must have been Pan Han or so who fed her the necessary information. Does this make sense in the context and timeline of the TV series and book? I'll have to watch it again soon.

确实，这就说得通了。她只是告诉汪淼停止倒计时的办法，而不是停止违背主和她自己的利益。另一方面，她似乎特意为他安排了宇宙闪烁，所以看起来她还是被“利用”作为 ETO 强硬派和汪淼之间的联络人。既然她自己没有听到“主”的任何消息，那么一定是潘寒或者其他什么人给她提供了必要的信息。这在电视剧/书里的背景和时间线上，是有意义的吗？我要再看一遍了。

-dontlookatme
This episode explains Shen and redemptionists are actually hero(in)es who want to save the earth by solving TBP themselves, but think too naviely and act like terrorists.

这一集解释了申玉菲和拯救派实际上是想通过自己解决三体问题来拯救地球的英雄，但是想法太天真了，表现得像恐怖分子。

Primary-Priority-212 -> -dontlookatme
personally, I believe they simply worship Trisolaris and try to save that planet. but yeh you are right, redemptionists can cooperate with Da Shi and his teams for sure

就我个人而言，我相信他们只是崇拜三体人，并试图拯救那个星球。但是你说得对，拯救派肯定可以和大史及其团队合作

kinvore
I don't understand something: how did the Trisolarans survive their planet literally getting torn in two, while the entire surface is covered in lava?
Do they explain this in the book? Or did they explain it in the show and I just didn't understand the translation?

我有点不明白，三体人是怎么活下来的？他们的星球被撕成了两半，而且整个地表都被岩浆覆盖。
书里有解释吗？还是他们在电视剧里解释了，只是我不懂翻译的意思？

Yozarian22 -> kinvore
I think the implications is that only mice and roaches survived, and over 90 million years of evolution, they eventually reacquired intelligence. The new beings may have been as different from the old ones as we are from dinosaurs. But because they made records that survived, the new civilization would have a head start on their own journey.

我认为这暗指只有老鼠和蟑螂存活了下来，经过9000万年的进化，它们最终重新获得了智慧。新的生物可能和旧的生物有很大的不同，就像我们和恐龙一样。但是因为他们创造的记录保存下来了，新的文明就有了一个良好的发展开端。

prodical -> Yozarian22
I never interpreted it like that but it makes the most sense logically. After all we are talking about “cosmic” timescales across their 190+ civilisations with possibly millions of years in between some.
As I was reading the book I always pictured some lone survivor husk getting hydrated in a deep cave by dripping water or something and passing the message of what happened before to those that followed 😂

我从来没有这样理解过，但这是最符合逻辑的说法。毕竟我们谈论的是190多个文明的“宇宙”时间尺度，这些文明之间可能有数百万年的间隔。
当我在读这本书的时候，我总是想象一些孤独的幸存者住在深洞里，通过滴水之类的来补充水分，然后把之前发生的事情传递给接下来的人😂

Yozarian22
Dude this show is really effing slow at times, but episodes like this make the whole thing worth it. That was epic.

兄弟，这部剧有时候节奏真的很慢，但是像这样的剧集让一切都值得了。史诗级别的。

Yozarian22
Our own planet's own fate is to be cast into our sun, according to our own best science.

根据我们最先进的科学推演，我们自己的星球的命运是最终会被太阳吞没。

Yozarian22 -> Yozarian22
The Trisolarians' plight is analogous to our own.

三体人的困境和我们很像。

Plenty-Ad1241
If Trisolarans is the Lord, then
Shen Yu Fei is the martyr
Evans is the apostle
Ye Wenjie is the Messiah

如果三体人是主，那么：
申玉菲是殉道者
伊文思是使徒
叶文洁是弥赛亚

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castorxu
Wei Cheng's reaction to Shen Yufei's death, wow!

魏成对申玉菲死亡的反应，哇！

anka_ar -> castorxu
excelent, and i dont know if he was trying to solve that murder or if he is trying to solve again the three body problem.

很精彩，我不知道他是想解决那起谋杀案，还是想再解决三体问题。

castorxu -> anka_ar
imo he believes that by solving the three body problem he can save Shen Yufei back

我认为，他是相信通过解决三体问题，他就可以把申玉菲救回来

Main_Mathematician77
Love the show, but is anyone else a bit annoyed the North American military’s representative has a European accent and the European representative had an American accent?

我喜欢这部电视剧，但是有没有人觉得有点恼火，北美军方代表有欧洲口音，而欧洲代表有美国口音？

cortrev -> Main_Mathematician77
omg I literally thought the same thing this episode

我的天，这集我也是这么想的

Atharaphelun -> Main_Mathematician77
More importantly, they don't even remotely sound like they're high-ranking generals but instead sound like random people plucked from the streets and asked to act. No gravitas whatsoever. That's just something viewers have to live with I suppose.

更重要的是，他们听起来根本不像是高级将领，而像是从街上随便拉来的人，被要求表演。完全没有庄重感。我想这是观众不得不接受的事情。

arbiter0314 -> Atharaphelun
Haha, probably yes. When I saw a Chinese character speaking Chinese in most English speaking series, I feel akward as well(I'm Chinese), but I didn't even notice their accent while watching this episode. And from my view, they are exacty what high-ranking generals like...

哈哈，可能是吧。当我在大多数英语剧中看到一个华人说中文时，我也会觉得很尴尬(我是中国人)，但在看这一集的时候，我甚至没有注意到他们的口音。在我看来，他们正是高级将领的样子...

anka_ar -> Main_Mathematician77
what make me annoyed is that south and north america maps has central america like they didnt decide where to assign them :P

让我恼火的是，南美洲和北美洲的地图上都有中美洲，好像他们没有决定把它们分配到哪里 :P

Fit_Decision190 -> anka_ar
Central America is also included in the badges of the US Northern Command and the US Southern Command, so I think the map in this TV series should be based on these two badges.

中美洲也包括在美国北方司令部和美国南方司令部的徽章中，所以我认为这部电视剧中的地图应该是以这两个徽章为基础的。

ThatOneLooksSoSad -> Main_Mathematician77
Methinks the North American rep has an Australian accent, personally.
And the South American guy has a ... Russian accent?

我个人认为北美代表有澳大利亚口音。
那个南美人有... 俄罗斯口音？

DueNorthBushOperator
Is there real love in Wei Cheng / Shen Yufei marriage?
The marriage had an unusual start.
But like some successful marriage, both partners satisfied each other's deep desire. Wei Cheng got the environment for his math, Shen Yufei had an approach for her Lord through the same math work.
When Shen Yufei's dead body revealed to Wei Cheng, he felt a hole in his heart. And his math cannot fill the hole. Was that love?

魏成/申玉菲的婚姻中有真爱吗？
这场婚姻有一个不寻常的开始。
但就像一些圆满的婚姻一样，双方都满足了对方内心深处的渴望。魏成得到了他的数学环境，申玉菲也通过同样的数学找到了接近她的主的方法。
当魏成看到申玉菲的尸体时，他感到心里有一个洞。而他的数学不能填补这个洞。那是爱吗？

OnlyResponsibility22 -> DueNorthBushOperator
I guess there’s no romantic love but something more than just friends, they lived with each other for a long time, they worked towards same goal. I like the adaptation that Wei Cheng cannot accept Shen Yufei’s death and feels a bit denial/guilt that he could’ve solve the problem (and prevent her from committing suicide). Rather than the cold and none-of-my-business reaction from the book. The character feels normal and alive.

我想他们之间没有什么浪漫的爱情，但也不仅仅是朋友，他们一起生活了很长时间，他们都朝着同一个目标努力。我喜欢这样的改编，魏成不能接受申玉菲的死亡，感到有一些抗拒/内疚，他本可以解决问题的(并阻止她自杀)，而不是书里那种冷冰冰与我无关的反应。这个角色感觉很正常，真实。

wolahipirate -> DueNorthBushOperator
i didnt see his reaction as love, rather desperation. Its sinking in for him that humanity is doomed. thats why he frantically tries to math his way into saving humanity.

我不认为他的反应是爱，而是绝望。对他来说，人类已经注定要灭亡。这就是为什么他疯狂地试图通过数学来拯救人类。

DueNorthBushOperator -> wolahipirate
Or that. I just thought love could be very peculiar. But could be what you said.

也许吧，我只是觉得爱情可能会很奇特，但也可能是你说的那样。

MasterGodzilla69 -> DueNorthBushOperator
In the original book, their marriage was depicted in such a way that no love existed between them. However, the TV series' performance gave us another explanation.
Just look at the way Shen Yufei looks into Wei Cheng's eyes. The hope of finding salvation for her belief became her strongest lust. If that's not love, what is?

在原著中，他们的婚姻被描写成他们之间不存在爱情。然而，电视剧的表演给了我们另一种解释。
只要看看申玉菲看魏成的眼神。为她的信仰寻求救赎的希望，成了她最强烈的欲望。如果这不是爱，那什么才是？

seimongg87
Great episode. Also the soundtrack during the Three Body players meetup was very similar to the Interstellar soundtrack in themes, instruments, melody and harmony.

很精彩的一集。此外，三体聚会期间的配乐在主题、乐器、旋律和和声方面与《星际穿越》的配乐非常相似。

Albrithr
Really engaging episode! Things are picking up. Rehydrate me on Sunday!

这集非常精彩！事情在展开了。请在星期天浸泡我！