[2023-02-05]Reddit评论区：美国北部核弹发射基地上空发现疑似中国的“间谍”气球

firewontquell
There is an air base in montana:
"Malmstrom AFB is one of three US Air Force Bases that maintains and operates the Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile."

蒙大拿州有个空军基地：
“马姆斯特罗姆空军基地是维护和操作民兵III洲际弹道导弹的三个美国空军基地之一”

Kaysic -> firewontquell
You can look at the Malmstrom nuclear silos in high resolution on Google Maps. Everything actually sensitive is indoors/underground.

你可以在谷歌地图上看到高分辨率的马尔姆斯特伦的核筒仓。所有敏感信息都在室内或地下。

Dunnydunndrop -> Kaysic
They are likely using high tech sensors and spying on the operations and communications of the air force base,don’t think this is just about getting a birds eye view and the limits associated with that

他们很可能使用高科技传感器，监视空军基地的运作和通讯，不要以为这只是鸟瞰之类的限制

Kingofelephantshrews -> Dunnydunndrop
The Pentagon has already stated that this possible spy balloon is of no major concern to them.

五角大楼已经声明这个可能的间谍气球对他们来说不是什么大问题。

PlutoNimbus -> Kingofelephantshrews
I logged into Twitter an hour ago and saw “Chinese balloon” trending so I clicked on it.. Right wing twitter is going nuts. They’re all saying that it should be blown up right now.

我一个小时前登陆了推特，看到了“中国气球”的热点... 推特右翼都快疯了。他们都说现在就应该把它炸掉。

filmantopia -> PlutoNimbus
Blow it up? It's a balloon. Just pop it with a pencil.

炸掉？这是个气球，用铅笔戳一下就可以了。

good2knowu -> filmantopia
Why would you not bring it down? China says they are investigating if it is theirs. The US should shoot it down and do their own investigation.

为什么不把它带下来？中国表示，他们正在调查这气球是否属于他们的。美国应该击落它，自己进行调查。

veerKg_CSS_Geologist -> good2knowu
Shooting down a balloon is not easy and not worth it unless it's actually a threat.

击落气球并不容易，也不值得这么做，除非它确实是威胁。

jerryschuggs -> Kingofelephantshrews
DoD wanted to shoot it out of the sky but said they’re worried about civilian casualties and damage.

国防部是想把它打下来，但是他们说担心平民伤亡和损失。

KingBrinell -> jerryschuggs
It's ove Montana. There's only like 8 people in the whole state.

在蒙大拿州，全境只有8个人。

Kaysic -> Dunnydunndrop
"High tech sensors" is a stupid handwave. The sensitive operations for those facilities happens indoors/underground - there is no such thing as a sensor that can see through concrete from the edge of space. "Communications" is a more valid point... except for how most secure C2 is going to happen over landline cables which, again, can't be collected against from the edge of space.
That's not a "well maybe there's some secret tech" loophole, that's physics.
And, the operations that do happen outdoors? You can collect against those using Google Maps, or by paying some shmuck on Craigslist to take pictures of the base from outside the fence (which is completely legal).

“高科技传感器”就是个愚蠢的想法。这些设施的敏感操作是在室内或地下进行——没有什么传感器可以从太空边缘透视混凝土。“通信”是一个更现实的想法... 最安全的C2是通过地面电缆传输的，同样，不能从太空边缘收集。
这不是“也许有什么秘密技术”的漏洞，而是物理学。
那么，那些在户外进行的操作呢？你可以使用谷歌地图收集这些信息，或者在Craigslist网站上花钱请一些白痴从围墙外拍摄基地的照片（这完全合法）。

ButterflyAttack -> Kaysic
Also, if the Chinese did have some super-secret tech that could magically see what was going on underground it seems pretty unlikely they'd be dumb enough to put it in a balloon and send it to America. I was wondering about maybe a fake mobile tower, but that seems unlikely too and would be noticed. Also it probably wouldn't capture much of value.

此外，如果中国确实拥有某种超级秘密技术，能够神奇地看到地下正在发生的事情，那么他们似乎不太可能愚蠢到把它放到气球上，然后把它送到美国。我在想也许是一个假的移动信号塔，但这似乎也不太可能，而且会被注意到。而且它不太可能捕捉到什么有价值的东西。

Talska
Nothing that you couldn't see from a satellite, which China has plenty of.

没有什么是你从卫星上看不到的，而中国有很多卫星。

Kaysic
I'm sure the DoD has a monkey with throwing darts prepared for just such an occasion.

我相信国防部有一只会扔飞镖的猴子，就是为这种场合准备的。

kthulhu666 -> Kaysic
The darts cost $11,000,000 each and the monkeys' costs are bananas.

这些飞镖每只价值1100万美元，而猴子的成本更是高得惊人。

MrBadBadly -> kthulhu666
Glad we're not using the squirrels as the costs of them are nuts.

很高兴我们没有用松鼠，因为它们的成本太高了。

Bgrngod -> kthulhu666
$11,000,010 ain't so bad.

1100万美元也没那么糟。

RobCarls33 -> Bgrngod
There was always money in the banana stand.

香蕉摊上总是有钱。

dan_v_ploeg -> Bgrngod
How much can a banana cost anyway, like a hundred dollars?

一根香蕉能卖多少钱，一百美元吗？

Suspicious_Loads -> kthulhu666
Seriously how much would it cost China to make an balloon without anything important? $1000? How could US shot that down cost efficiently?

说真的，中国制造一个没什么重要东西的气球要花多少钱？1000美元？美国要怎么样才能有效地降低成本？

keskeskes1066 -> kthulhu666
Standard DOD overhead, nothing to see here.

标准的国防开销，没什么奇怪的。

webposer
We saw this over Billings, MT. last night. It shut our airport down.

昨晚我们在比林斯看到，它让机场关闭了。

cheekygeek
Funny that the Pentagon is downplaying the balloon

有趣的是，五角大楼正在淡化气球事件。

Superbuddhapunk
How did it arrive in US airspace without anyone noticing?

它是怎么神不知鬼不觉地进入美国领空的？

whopperlover17 -> Superbuddhapunk
They knew it was there, they’d been tracking it for days apparently. It’s been here for a bit apparently.

他们知道它的位置，很明显他们已经追踪好几天了，显然它在这里有一段时间了。

thefugue -> Superbuddhapunk
it’s a balloon and it’s above the airspace one typically sees craft in.

这是个气球，它高于人们通常能看到的飞行器高度。

Superbuddhapunk -> thefugue
I’m certain that at a time of war and international tensions with a nuclear state, all US and NATO strategic surveillance systems are live and active. Why wouldn’t they be?

我确信，在战争时期以及与核国家的国际紧张局势中，所有美国和北约的战略监视系统都很活跃。为什么不是这样呢？

acm2033 -> Superbuddhapunk
You're assuming no one noticed. We may not be privy to all the information.

你以为没有人注意到吗，我们可能不知道所有的信息。

Nice-Fish-50
What the heck do they need that for that Tik-Tok can't do better?

他们要那玩意儿干嘛？Tik-Tok不是能做得更好吗？

David_denison
Reminds me of the WWII Japanese balloon bombs used to attack North America

让我想起了二战时日本人用来攻击北美的气球炸弹

KerchBridgeSmoker -> David_denison
One of these fell a few blocks from my old apartment. I was fine though. Thankfully, I hadn't been born yet.

其中一个掉在离我旧公寓几个街区的地方。不过我没事。谢天谢地，我那时还没出生。

TheJadedSF
Shoot that shit down, pronto.

把那东西打下来，马上。