[2022-04-10]海外军事评论区：六架运-20飞抵塞尔维亚在欧洲上空出现，交付中国产防空导弹系统红旗22改型

概要：

根据世界民用航行航线系统披露的数据，近期频繁亮相抗疫一线的人民解放军空军运-20运输机，日前出现在了欧洲地区。报道称，当地时间4月9日，多架运-20运输机降落在了塞尔维亚空军的巴塔尼察空军基地。
不过上述消息没有得到中国军方的证实，如果相关报道属实，则系运-20运输机首次飞入欧洲国家空域，同时再一次展现了运20运输机超强的远距离运输能力。作为中国自行研制的新一代大型多用途运输机，运-20的服役让人民解放军空军的战略物资投送能力，有了质的提升。
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Pastry Chef
China makes the Russians look like amateurs. Russia also makes the Russians look like amateurs.

中国让俄罗斯人看起来像业余选手，俄罗斯也让俄罗斯人看起来像业余选手。

Spartangreen21
Losing out on that contract was a real kick in the teeth for the Russians.
I suspect that the Y-20 will take the place of the Il-76 in many air forces, eventually.

失去这份合同对俄罗斯人来说是一记沉重的打击。
我怀疑运-20最终将在许多空军中取代伊尔-76。

GintaPPE1000
I expect Chinese arms in general to proliferate where Soviet and Russian hardware once did. It's more capable at this point, and probably just as if not cheaper with fewer strings attached.

我预计中国的武器总体上会像苏联和俄罗斯那样扩散开来。在这一点上，它的功能更强，而且可能附带的条件更少，或更便宜。

Skykingskyking
Any evidence of China helping this war continue? They would have the most interest in having the US commit forces in Ukraine, tying down units across the world. Would china go that far, actively pushing all sides towars war?

有证据表明中国帮助这场战争继续下去吗？他们最感兴趣的是让美国向乌克兰派兵，牵制世界范围内的部队。中国会走那么远，积极推动各方参战吗？

Al Pal
Russia's foray into Ukraine is also a nightmare for China, not only becauseit has made Western countries bolder. Russia falling apart now would certainly make China more vulnerable.

俄罗斯进军乌克兰对中国来说也是一场噩梦，不仅仅是因为这让西方国家变得更加大胆。俄罗斯现在的分裂肯定会让中国更加脆弱。

Brent_L
I don't think so. I think it's more likely that they want to see Russia bleed themselves into irrelevance.

我不这么认为。我认为更有可能的是，他们希望看到俄罗斯失去自己的影响力。

Agent Kay
Those engines look like they belong on a C-141 Starlifter circa 1969.

这些发动机看起来像是1969年左右C-141运输机上的。

BBinAwe
High performance engines are so much more than plans and specifications (which we now know can be easily stolen). They are equally institutional knowledge, a highly skilled workforce and a complex and deep supply chain.

高性能发动机远不止是计划和规格(我们现在知道这些很容易被窃取)。它们同样是机构知识、高技能劳动力和复杂而深入的供应链。

hunter32031
I was thinking the same thing. But like the KC-135s, they’ll soon be upgraded with much better performing higher bypass engines. Yet another example of Chinese aviation beginning to pull away from the Russians.

我也是这么想的。但是就像KC-135一样，他们很快就会升级到性能更好的高旁路发动机。这是中国航空业开始甩开俄罗斯的又一个例子。

Bulldogdriver
I am sure that load can be hauled by just one C-5M. The Y-20 is known for is compromised payload.

我敢肯定，一架C-5M运输机就可以负载。众所周知，Y-20的有效载荷是妥协的。

Ian Cox
Nah. Missile defense systems and their attendant radars are mounted on 8x8 or bigger truck chassis. That takes up a lot of floor space. Essentially a "low weight, high volume" load. A C-5A would not handle this.

不。导弹防御系统及其附属雷达安装在8x8或更大的卡车底盘上。这占用了很多空间。基本上是一个“低重量，大体积”的负载。C-5A 无法处理这种情况。

Jim
Very clean looking plane. As others have mentioned, it seems the engines are the real weak point, with the Shenyang WS-20 taking much longer to develop than hoped.
The C-17 still remains the Rolls-Royce of the military cargo world.

非常干净的飞机。正如其他人提到的，发动机似乎是真正的弱点，沈阳的WS-20研发时间比预期的要长得多。
C-17仍然是军用运输界的劳斯莱斯。

Dude in Switzerland
Probaly. The problem is however their fast progress if we compare their status 40years ago.

也许吧，问题是如果我们比较一下他们40年前的情况，他们的进步很快。

hunter32031
I hope we won’t see Chinese supply flights into Russia. China has taken ECM and SEAD a lot more serious than the Russians have. If they supply the Russians it could really change the air war.

我希望我们不会看到中国的补给飞机进入俄罗斯。中国比俄罗斯更重视ECM和SEAD。如果他们向俄罗斯提供补给，那么空战可能就会真正改变了。（译注：SEAD，抑制敌方空中防御；ECM，电子对抗）

LL65
china wants no part of this shitshow. They want western $$$ to keep flowing. It will be used to buy up russia after this is over for pennies on the dollar

中国不想参与这场闹剧。他们希望西方美元继续流动。在这一事件结束后，它将被用来以很低的价格收购俄罗斯。

Spartangreen21
A lot of their seeker electronics are based on French and Israeli tech, even if the missiles themselves are more based on Russian tech.
Imo, given that these systems have very little chance of being displaced by a western equivalent... I'd probably go for the Chinese one.

他们很多导弹的导引头电子设备都是基于法国和以色列的技术，即使导弹本身更多的是基于俄罗斯的技术。
在我看来，考虑到这些系统被西方同类系统取代的可能性很小...我可能会选择中国的系统。