[2021-10-02]中国航空工程师表示，他们发现了美国在研最新无人战斗机一些重要性能上的不足

Chinese aviation engineers say they have worked out some critical performance constraints of a stealth combat drone still under development in the United States.Their estimates are based on some photos, openly available information and reverse-engineering software. They found that the XQ-58A Valkyrie, an unmanned combat aerial vehicle, was not good at aerial combat. When making a U-turn, for instance, it can withstand a pull of only about 1.7 times that of gravity, according to their calculations. In a dogfight, most fighter jets need to brake against a force seven times that of gravity or higher.
This is a weakness, but the unusual design also signals a major break with tradition in the US military, suggesting gains in other areas, the researchers said.

中国航空工程师表示，他们基于一些照片、公开的信息和反向工程软件已经算出了美国仍在研发的一款隐形无人战斗机的一些关键性能限制。他们发现，XQ-58A "女武神 "这种无人驾驶战斗飞行器并不擅长空战。例如，根据他们的计算，该机在进行U型转弯时只能承受1.7G过载，而在现实空战中，大多数战斗机需要承受7倍甚至以上的过载。
研究人员说，这是一个短板，但这种不寻常的设计也预示着美军战术与传统大不相同，表明在其他领域也有进展。

“Through the inversion of the XQ-58A design process, it can be seen that with the continuous breakthroughs in artificial intelligence and network data transmission technology, the ‘loyal wingman’ represented by XQ-58A will gradually become the main force on the battlefield and become a new leading power in the transformation of the man-machine coordinated combat model,” senior engineer Lu Yuanjie and colleagues at the Shenyang Aircraft Design and Research Institute wrote in a paper published in domestic peer-reviewed journal Aircraft Design.
The US Air Force last month awarded a US$13.2 million contract to defence contractor Kratos to get the XQ-58A ready for service by 2023. The company said in May that it would deliver the first production unit this year.
Since its debut in 2019, the drone has made six test flights and suffered two mishaps in landing and take-off. With a relatively low cost of US$2 million, it is expected to be produced and deployed on a large scale.

沈阳飞机设计研究院高级工程师陆元杰和他的同事在国内同行评审的《飞机设计》杂志上发表的一篇论文中写道：“通过XQ-58A设计过程的反推，可以看出，随着人工智能和网络数据传输技术的不断突破，以XQ-58A为代表的‘忠诚僚机’将逐渐成为战场上的主力军，成为人机协同作战模式转变的新领军力量。”。
上个月，美国空军授予国防承包商奎托斯一份价值1320万美元的合同，让 XQ-58A 在2023年前投入使用。该公司在5月份表示，今年将交付第一架量产机。
自2019年首次亮相以来，该无人机已经进行了六次试飞，并在起飞和降落时遭遇了两次事故。它的成本相对较低，只有200万美元，预计将大规模生产和部署。

The XQ-58A is a backbone component in the US Air Force’s Skyborg programme, which aims to provide AI wingmen to F-22 and F-35 stealth jet pilots for combat or surveillance missions. Other defence contractors, including Boeing, have come up with similar products.
China was worried about these drones because they would add further uncertainties in the event of a war. A Chinese military study earlier this year warned that the US could station a large number of XQ-58A drones on small islands or ships east of Taiwan. With a rocket-assisted take-off system, these drones could quickly form large swarms and pose a severe threat to People’s Liberation Army forces crossing the strait should a conflict break out.

XQ-58A 是美国空军 Skyborg 项目的骨干部分，该项目旨在为 F-22和 F-35隐形战机飞行员提供人工智能僚机，用于战斗或监视任务。包括波音在内的其它国防承包商也推出了类似产品。
中国担心这些无人机会增加战斗的许多不确定性。今年早些时候，中国的一份军事研究报告警告说，美国可能在台湾以东的小岛或船只上大量部署 XQ-58A 无人机。借助火箭助推起飞系统，这些无人机可以迅速集结成群，一旦冲突爆发，将对穿越台湾海峡的中国军队构成严重威胁。

“Although the XQ-58A will still be in the testing and verification stage in the short term, the accumulation of related technologies and the verification of application models will affect the basic style of future air combat, and we should pay full attention to this,” said professor Guo Zheng and colleagues at the National University of Defence Technology in a paper published in National Defence Technology in February.
Lu’s team said that the main purpose of their study was not to replicate an XQ-58A but to find the US military’s hidden motivation from cold data.
They found that the US designers tried to pack as much equipment and fuel into the drone as possible while keeping its wings, engine and total size as small as possible. These design priorities may suggest that the US military put weapons, surveillance capability and range before manoeuvrability.
The XQ-58A was advertised as a reusable drone, but was actually designed and built to be expandable, to carry out suicide missions, according to Lu.
This would “allow manned aircraft to command outside the defence zone, and drones to go deep into the hinterland to complete high-risk attack missions”, he said.

中国国防科技大学郭正教授及其同事二月份发表在《国防科技》杂志上的一篇论文指出：“尽管XQ-58A短期内仍处于测试和验证阶段，但相关技术的积累和应用模型的验证将影响未来空战的基本作战方式，我们应对此给予充分重视”。
陆元杰的研究小组表示，他们研究的主要目的不是要仿制 XQ-58A，而是从冷数据中找出美军隐藏的动机。
他们发现，美国设计师试图将尽可能多的设备和燃料塞入无人机中，同时尽可能缩小机翼、发动机和总体尺寸。这些设计的重点可能表明美国军方将武器、监视能力和作战范围置于机动性之前。
陆元杰认为，尽管美国宣传称XQ-58A是可重复使用的无人机，但实际上从该机的设计和制造角度看，其重点在于可扩展性，以执行自杀式任务。他说，这将“允许有人驾驶飞机在防区外指挥，让无人机深入腹地完成高风险攻击任务”。

The Chinese military has several methods to counter the XQ-58A and similar aircraft, according to Guo’s study. China has built numerous low-frequency radar stations while developing and testing new technology such as quantum radar to detect stealth aircraft.
“Under the premise of effective detection, the XQ-58A’s weaker manoeuvrability can lead to its destruction by ground-based mid-range anti-air guns, air-based over-the-horizon missiles or close combat by fighter jets,” Guo and colleagues said.
Electronic warfare devices could cut off the communication between the drone and human command, or bring down a swarm of drones with one powerful shot from a powerful electromagnetic pulse weapon. Using drones against drones can also be an effective tactic, according to Guo.
“The defending party can use the unmanned wingman to feint and manoeuvre to force the enemy’s manned aircraft to take actions such as radar start-up and evasion,” they said in the paper.
China is developing hypersonic drones that can fly at five times the speed of sound or faster. One recent study by Chinese air force researchers suggested that a hypersonic drone could quickly catch up with an F-22 and fire a missile or cannon from behind. The XQ-58A’s top speed is Mach 0.95, according to the US Air Force.

根据郭正教授的研究，中国军方有几种方法来对抗XQ-58A和类似的飞机。中国已经建立了许多低频雷达站，同时开发和测试新技术，如探测隐形战机的量子雷达。
“在有效探测的前提下，XQ-58A较弱的机动性可能导致其被陆基中程防空炮、空基超视距导弹或战斗机近距离摧毁”
此外，电子战设备可以切断无人机和指挥部之间的通信，或者用强力的电磁脉冲武器一次击落一群无人机。郭表示，使用无人机对付无人机也是一种有效的战术。
“防守方可以利用无人僚机进行佯攻和机动，迫使敌方有人飞机启动雷达或进行规避”他们在文章上说。
中国正在开发可以五倍音速甚至更快的速度飞行的高超音速无人机。中国空军研究人员最近的一项研究表明，高超音速无人机可以迅速追上F-22，并从后方发射导弹或火炮攻击。据美国空军的说法，XQ-58A的最高速度为0.95马赫。
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Brian S.
This is the "new" East-West Cold War. Those of us born in the mid 1900's are very familiar with it. Relentless propaganda, enormous military spending, mutual assured destruction, hundreds of thousands dead as a result of proxy wars etc., etc.
Entities and individuals on the inside become fabulously wealthy from profligate Government spending. ( aka Military Industrial Complex)
Societies would benefit so much more if those budgets were spent in country.
It saddens me to see this afflicting a new generation. Study this carefully young people, it's up to you to put a stop to it.

这就是“新”的东西方冷战。我们这些1900年代中期出生的人对此非常熟悉。无休止的宣传，巨大的军费开支，相互保证毁灭，代理人战争造成的成千上万的死亡等等。
内部的实体和个人由于挥霍无度的政府开支(又名军工联合体)变得非常富有。
如果这些预算都用于国家，社会将受益更多。
看到这种情况困扰着新一代人，我感到很悲哀。仔细研究这个问题吧，年轻人，该由你们来制止它了。

MindClarity X.
Typical US stategy: bring a bazooka to capture a rabbit. No wonder it was defeated by vastly ill-equipped forces in Vietnam and Afghanistan. US drones are good for tracking kids, it seems.

典型的美国政策：用火箭筒抓兔子。难怪它在越南和阿富汗被装备极其简陋的部队打败了。美国无人机似乎很适合追踪孩子们。

King L.
@Mindclarity X. Propaganda again. The US defeated the Talliban government/military in less than 1 month forcing them to go into hiding in the mountain of Pakistan. The US did not succeed in building Afghanistan into a modern democracy after 20 years there but that is a totally different story.

又是宣传。美国在不到一个月的时间里就击败了塔利班政府/军队，迫使他们躲藏在巴基斯坦的山里。而在阿富汗的20年里，美国并没有成功地将阿富汗建设成为现代民主国家，但这是完全不同的故事。

Manny V.
These drones are completely cost-effective and can be used to identify, neutralize, and otherwise occupy air defenses, for example. They can also be used as kinetic weapons, if needed. At $2m each they're cheap, expendable, and cannot be ignored.

这些无人机完全具有成本效益，例如，可以用来识别、压制和占领防空系统。如果需要，它们还可以用作动能武器。两百万美元的价格，很便宜，可以用来消耗，不容忽视。

COLIN G.
Why are these weapons system blurbs so often the lead front page story these days? Has the SCMP become some kind of military newspaper?

为什么这些武器系统的简介最近经常成为头版头条新闻？难道《南华早报》变成了某种军事报纸了吗？

Po P.
Mankind spends too much resources on war machines

人类在战争机器上花费了太多的资源

Mangas C.
US is an unrivaled innovation engine. So much that China's "scientists" have no choice but to be fixated on studying US innovations and desperately try to either reverse engineer. China is no match but US has to be careful not to continue on a path to "feed its enemies" by giving them access to US science and technologies.

美国是一台无与伦比的创新引擎。以至于中国的“科学家”别无选择，只能专注于研究美国的创新，拼命尝试逆向工程。中国不是对手，但美国必须谨慎行事，不要让美国的敌人获得美国的科学和技术，从而继续“养活敌人”。

Kwo-Sen K.
@Mangas C. "US is an unrivaled innovation engine." Yet, it doesn't have have an operational hypersonic missile, while China and Russia do... LOL.

“美国是一台无与伦比的创新引擎。”
然而，美国没有可使用的高超音速导弹，而中国和俄罗斯有... 哈哈

Mangas C.
@Kwo-sen K. Comment when you see any Chinese missile hitting anything. US is the hypersonic leader too. They just go deeper. Blind speed is the easist part.

当你看到任何中国导弹击中什么东西时，再来评论吧。美国也是高超音速的领导者。他们只是走得更深入。盲目的速度是最简单的部分。

Kwo-Sen K.
@Mangas C. Haven't you read? The US had just failed another test of its hypersonic missile? They go deeper? They couldn't even launch right! Blind speed is the easy part? That has just revealed how much you actually know about these systems.

你没读吗？没读过美国刚刚的高超音速导弹试验又失败了的报道？他们走得更深入？他们甚至无法正确发射！盲目的速度是最简单的部分吗？这就暴露了你对这些系统的了解程度。

Ryan S.
@Mangas C. Did the US reinvented the wheel or reversed engineered it by innovating whatever that was learned from the original  design?  All good engineering practices and  innovations layers on existing inventions and innovations snd  the process  continues everywhere. if this process is not widely practiced then the world would not have reached such a scale of technological and engineering advances in such a short span of  history

美国是重新发明了轮子，还是通过创新任何从原始设计中学到的东西来逆向它？所有良好的工程实践和创新都是在现有的发明和创新的基础上进行的，而且这个过程在任何地方都在继续。如果这一过程没有得到广泛实践，那么世界就不会在如此短的历史跨度内，达到如此规模的技术和工程进步。

Kwo-Sen K.
@Ryan S. Of course the US had reversed engineered. If you check history around the first few decades of the 20th century, European powers, ie, England, Germany and France, constantly complained the US's practice of copycatting.

当然，美国进行过逆向工程。如果你回顾一下20世纪前几十年的历史，就会发现欧洲强国，比如英国、德国和法国，一直在抱怨美国的抄袭行为。

Mangas C.
@Ryan S. Yeah Valkyrie is akin to a wheel 🙄

对，女武神就像轮子

Kwo-Sen K.
Akin to a wheel to a caveman, of course.

当然，类似于山顶洞人的轮子。

Ryan S.
@Mangas C. just for example? how come the US is still running on 4G now and half the country is on even slower network? Did the chinese stole or reverse engineered this tech from the US?

举个例子呗？为什么美国现在仍在使用4G网络，而且半个国家的网络速度甚至更慢？是中国人从美国偷走了，还是逆向美国的技术了？

Mangas C.
@Ryan S. Seriously? All the three major networks are on 5g. Now don't say 5g was invented by China 🙄 Good lord!

你是认真的？三大主要网络都是5G网络。现在别说5G是中国发明的，上帝啊!

Luck L.
@Mangas C. Dont be so sure .if Chinese scientists are commenting on Uncle Sam's tech it is more of an indication they have surpassed technologically in that field. The Chinese already have various brand new toys to counter stealth whereas the US is hardly heard of. There is no way the US can compete with China in the long run. The latter churns out 4 x more science students each year and are more likely better funded than the US . Uncle Sam's global committment is eating up a large chunk of its annual military budget. AI ,drones ,quantum, hypersonics and tele tech ( 6G vs 4G )are China' strengths.

别这么肯定。如果中国科学家评论山姆大叔的技术，那更多的是表明他们在该领域的技术已经超越了。中国已经有各种各样的新玩意来对抗隐形，而美国几乎闻所未闻。从长远来看，美国无法与中国竞争。后者每年培养出四倍以上的理科学生，而且很可能比美国有更好的资金支持。山姆大叔的全球承诺正在消耗其年度军事预算的一大部分。人工智能、无人机、量子、高超音速和电信技术(6G vs 4G)是中国的优势。

PK W.
@Mangas C. 'US is an unrivaled innovation engine' ....fan boy talk. Grow up.

“美国是一台无与伦比的创新引擎”...... 脑残粉的言论。成熟点吧。

Joe D.
Question, what would a truely original Chinese innovation look like?  An local design un-polluted by the outside world.  For 100+ years, I suggest such original innovations are vaporware.

问题是， 真正中国原创的创新是什么样子的？一个没有被外界污染的本地设计。一百多年来，我认为这样的原创创新是空谈。

MC B.
@Mangas C. @King L, @Joe D - and what if the next invention or even a modification of technology by the Chinese takes out every US weapon even one that got a Nobel prize?   What's the end result?   Who wins even if China copied technology from the US but deployed it to take out America's version?   Does it matter who "invented" it?

如果中国人的下一项发明，甚至是改进的技术，就可以摧毁美国的所有武器，甚至包括获得诺贝尔奖的武器，会怎么样？最终的结果是什么？即使中国复制了美国的技术，然后利用它来淘汰美国的版本，那谁是赢家呢？是谁“发明”的重要吗?

Daniel F.
Everything the US designs on its own is based on killing. Everything China designs on its own is based on infrastructure and advancing human life quality. Total opposite!

美国自己设计的一切都是基于杀戮。中国自己设计的一切都是基于基础设施和提高人类生活质量。完全相反！

Chubadao
I don't understand.. never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake

我不明白... 当你的敌人犯错误时，千万不要打断他

Patrick O.
@Chubadao This is why you cant take these "news" seriously.

这就是为什么你不能把这些“报道”当回事。

Kwo-Sen K.
@Chubadao The point is to prevent war because it will cause misery and tragedy on both sides. Let you potential enemy know what it will be up against to discourage initiating attack.

关键是要防止战争，因为战争会给双方带来痛苦和悲剧。让你的潜在敌人知道它将面临什么，以阻止其发起攻击。

King L.
The US did not need to steal from anyone, German engineers and scientists could not wait to come here, including Albert Eistein. They still come from all over the world, ask Elon Musk and many Chinese in the US.

美国不需要从任何人那里偷窃，德国工程师和科学家迫不及待地来到这里，包括艾伯特·爱因斯坦。他们仍然来自世界各地，问问伊隆·马斯克和许多在美国的中国人。

Dan B.
@King L. But they did steal , how do you explain that ,they basically took war criminals and used them to develope weapons mainly missiles and nuclear weapons .
Surely you understand that this is not American innovation rather Germen .

但是他们确实偷了，你怎么解释呢？他们基本上带走了战犯，用他们发展武器，主要是导弹和核武器。
你肯定知道这不是美国的创新，而是德国的。

Greg F.
@King L. Stop making weird definitions. It's a form of lying too  :)

别再做奇怪的定义了，这也是撒谎的一种形式 :)


MindClarity X.
US military equipment are known for defects. Zumwalt: The U.S. Navy's Titanium “Tin Can”. If the U.S. war in Afghanistan were a ship, it would be a Navy Zumwalt-class destroyer. - Pogo 2019. F-22: ''The U.S. response to September 11 further clouded the F-22’s prospects. Instead of facing off against peer competitors, the US military engaged itself in conflicts against significantly technologically inferior opponents.'' - National Interest 2019. F-35: ''There have been so many problems with the F-35, it’s difficult even to summarize them. Pilot blackouts, premature part failures, software development disasters, and more have all figured in various documents over the years. Firing the main gun can cra-ck the plane.'' Extreme Tech 2021. Well, there's the 737 Max-8, but we already know about that one...

众所周知，美国军事装备存在缺陷。
朱姆沃尔特：美国海军的钛合金“罐头”。如果美国在阿富汗的战争是一艘军舰，那么它会是一艘朱姆沃尔特级驱逐舰。——2019全球海洋观测伙伴关系
F-22：美国对911事件的反应进一步给F-22的前景蒙上了阴影。美国军方没有与同行竞争对手对抗，而是与技术上明显逊色的对手发生冲突。——2019《国家利益》。
F-35：F-35有很多问题，甚至很难总结出来。多年来，飞行员失去意识、过早的零件故障、软件开发灾难以及更多的问题都出现在各种文档中。主炮发射会炸毁飞机。——2021《极限科技》
嗯，还有波音737max-8，但我们已经知道那事了...

Beryl B.
Did anybody stop to consider that these things were never intended for high-g combat manoeuvring?

有没有人停下来想一想，这些东西从来就没有打算用于高重力作战的？

King L.
@Beryl B. No, because that would require "serious" thinking for  people whose purpose in life is to repeat propaganda. This drone costs less than many missiles currently deployed by US military

不，因为对于那些生活目的就是重复宣传的人来说，这需要“认真”的思考。这种无人机的成本低于美国军方目前部署的许多导弹。

Beryl B.
@King L. Exactly.  The whole point of these aircraft is they are intended to be 'attritable'

没错。这些飞机的全部意义在于它们是“可消耗”的。

Dan B.
@Beryl B. Did anyone stop to think that with the money spent on that drone development the US could have helped solve it's homeless problem ?

有没有人停下来想一想，美国花在无人机研发上的钱，本可以帮助解决无家可归的问题？

REn J.
@Dan B. Can't have poverty if u set your poverty level to below 2k usd.

如果你把你的贫困水平设定在2000美元以下，就不会有贫困了。

Dan B.
@Ren J. Tell that to the 600k homeless people in the US with no public healthcare and no public housing.

告诉美国60万无家可归的人吧，他们没有公共医疗保健，也没有公共住房。

King L.
@Dan B. Open your eyes, from SCMP

睁开你的眼睛吧，来自《南华早报》 （注：关于香港无家可归者的链接）

Dan B.
@King L. I'm sure you couldn't care less about the homelesss problem ,lack of public healthcare in the US and the overspending by the US administrations (due to pressure by weapons manufacturers via their lobbyists in Washington DC) and total neglect of its domestic infrastructure.
American policy is there to serve American big corporations not the American people .

我敢肯定你一点也不关心无家可归者的问题，美国缺乏公共医疗保障、政府过度开支(由于武器制造商通过其在华盛顿的说客施加的压力)，以及对国内基础设施的完全忽视。
美国的政策是为美国大公司服务的，而不是为美国人民服务。

Dan B.
@King L. There is indeed a homeless problem in HK , as in most major cities and also cost of flats are extremely high ,and there's a discussion to have about the reasons for that but I'll give you a hint : it has nothing to do with China.
Now comparatively when it comes to social services free healthcare , public housing , infrastructure,low taxes there's no city in the US/UK that offers what HK offers .
You better open your eyes ,I suggest you also scr1ape them with bleach.

香港确实存在无家可归的问题，就像大多数大城市一样，而且公寓的价格也非常高，关于这原因还有待讨论，但我给你一个提示：这与中国无关。
现在相比之下，当涉及到社会服务、免费医疗、公共住房、基础设施、低税收时，美国/英国没有一个城市能提供香港所提供的服务。
你最好睁开眼睛，我建议你也用漂白剂擦擦眼睛。

Junray P.
Guns are first developed and invented by China which copied by West and US from late imperial era😂,you benefitted from Chinas inventions,such as umbrella,compass etc..and you're complaining to China for copying?🤔😂

枪支最早是由中国开发和发明的，后来在帝国晚期被西方和美国复制，你们受益于中国的发明，如伞、指南针等。还向中国抱怨抄袭？

Kwo-Sen K.
@Junray P. It is not new to catch up developments with copycatting and it certainly is not limited to China. Almost all countries do it, whether that care to admit or not. Germany copied England shortly after the start of industrial revolution. In the first few decades of the 20th century, European powers, ie, England, Germany, and France, constantly complained about the copycatting going on in the US. During WWII, Britain pretty much transferred all advanced technolgies to the US to secure its participation against Germany. The US, thus, got to copy outright. At the end of WWII, the US bagged a lot of German and Japanese scientists to "share" their knowledge and went on with another round of free copycatting. After WWII, Japan was known for copycatting, then Taiwan and S Korea as well as Hong Kong (to a lesser degree). These economies all developed with copycatting as the first stage of development.

通过模仿来赶上发展并不是什么新鲜事，当然也不仅限于中国。几乎所有的国家都这么做，不管他们愿不愿意承认。工业革命开始后不久，德国就模仿了英国。在20世纪的前几十年，欧洲强国，例如英国、德国和法国，不断抱怨美国的模仿行为。在第二次世界大战期间，英国几乎把所有的先进技术都转移到美国，以确保其参战对抗德国。因此，美国不得不·完全复制。在第二次世界大战结束时，美国吸引了许多德国和日本科学家来“分享”他们的知识，并继续进行另一轮的免费复制。第二次世界大战之后，日本以模仿而闻名，然后是台湾、韩国和香港(程度较轻)。这些经济体发展的第一阶段都是模仿。

King L.
If they could figure out the performace of a still classified aircraft by just looking at some photo publicly available, I would say Chinese engineers are exceptional in astrology also. Maybe they would earn more practicing astrology than engineering.

如果他们仅仅通过看一些公开的照片就能知道一架仍属于机密的飞机的性能，我会说中国工程师在占卜术方面也是非同寻常的。也许他们从事占卜术比从事工程学赚得更多。

Simon H.
@King L. If you were in the third year undergraduate Mechanical Engineering, you would have learned fluid mechanics and simulation based on 2-D photo or 3-D model to determine the performance of the objects in flight.  It is not difficult.

如果你是机械工程专业本科三年级学生，你会学习流体力学和基于2-D 照片或3-D模型的模拟，以确定物体在飞行中的性能。这并不难。

V C.
@King L. India does that all the time.. 100%. They look at a picture of some gear or hear some stories on Wion and go to the temple to ask for specifications. Lol

印度经常这么做...百分百。他们看着一些装备的图片，或者听到一些关于Wion的故事，然后就会去寺庙询问规格。哈哈

Richard W.
Its only USD1M a piece. No human. Small and stealthy. Thus no need to be highly maneuverable.

它只需一百万一架。无人驾驶。小而隐蔽。所以不需要高度机动性。

Daniel F.
@Richard W. It still bankrupted their country. Those millions spent on murdering add up.

这仍然使他们的国家破产。花在谋杀上的几百万加起来。

Alenev 0.
Does any one think China is sitting there doing nothing about drones? China has the skill and Industrial capacity to manufacure stealth drones in massive scale but at a fraction of the cost. As you can see they are keenly studying the vulnerablities of US drones to design their own. For every 1000 US drones, China could produce 2000 AI driven stealth drones, thanks to China's advanced manufacturing capabilities and its dedicated and disciplined work force. The US can try "drone swarming". But what if they meet with a Chinese drone swarm twice bigger?

难道有人会认为中国对无人机无动于衷吗？中国拥有大规模制造隐形无人机的技术和工业能力，但成本只是其中的一小部分。正如你看到的，他们正在敏锐地研究美国无人机的弱点，并设计自己的无人机。得益于中国先进的制造能力和专注而有纪律的劳动力，每生产1000架美国无人机，中国就能生产2000架AI驱动的隐形无人机。美国可以试试“无人机蜂群”。但是，如果他们遇到的中国无人机群比这大两倍呢？

Raptor D.
@ Alenev O Ever heard of electronic countermeasures?  There are new miltech of direct energy type that can take down anything that has electronics.  Hence, smart drones are not so much reliant on GPS/Satellite but more or less relies on optical and Inertial guidance type for navigation and hardened electronics that is not susceptible to emp/high energy pulse.  The US Air Force have carried out missions without GPS and or satellite services either via human or autonomously.

听说过电子对抗吗？现在有一种新型的直接能源技术，可以摧毁任何有电子设备的东西。所以，智能无人机不太依赖GPS/卫星，而是或多或少地依赖光学和惯性制导类型的导航和固化电子设备，不容易受到EMP/高能脉冲的影响。美国空军已经在没有GPS和卫星服务的情况下通过人工或自主执行任务。

Alenev 0.
@Raptor D. Don;t be silly, you use electro-static pulse you knock your own drones out of the sky. What makes you think China won't produce even smarter drones that is interference proof? Afterall China could produce DF-17 Hypersonic glider missiles which are already in combat service, and the US fails one test after another and is still scratching its head. When it comes to drones, China is leading the US in drone technology for stability, agility, accuracy, and autonomous abilities.

别傻了，你用静电脉冲把自己的无人机击落了。你凭什么认为中国不会生产更智能的无人机来抵御干扰？毕竟，中国可以生产已经服役的东风-17高超音速滑翔导弹，而美国却一次又一次地试验失败，至今仍旧摸不着头脑。在无人机方面，中国在稳定性、敏捷性、精确性和自主能力方面领先于美国。

James W.
The US is opting for range and fuel load over maneurvability, because the war is likely along China's eastern coastlines and the US drones have to fly longer distances to reach Chinese coast. That is why they have to prioritize range and fuel load over combat capabilities. Things are opposite for the Chinese, they can design drones with shorter range and less fuel in exchange for maneuvavility and higher load of weapons, because China only fights wars in its front yard. So whose drones will be shot off the skies first? Hint: Not the Chinese drones with its superior combat abilities.

美国之所以选择航程和燃料负荷，而不是机动性，是因为战争可能发生在中国东海岸，而美国的无人机必须飞行更远的距离才能到达中国海岸。这就是为什么他们必须优先考虑航程和燃料负荷，而不是机动性。对中国来说，情况恰恰相反，他们可以设计射程更短、燃料更少的无人机，以换取更大的机动性和更多的武器装备，因为中国只在自己的前院打仗。那么，谁的无人机将首先被击落呢？提示：不是拥有超强战斗力的中国无人机。

Turf n S.
I only have one question,. Where is the battle field!  N. America or Asia?

我只有一个问题，战场在哪里? 北美还是亚洲？

Joe D.
@Turf n S. Asia.  THe US only has the capability to fight across the ocean in any meaningful way.  Sure, someone can get off a few shots, bomb a couple targets, but sustain a war?  No way.  Only the USA has that capability.  Russia at its height could not maintain the heavy lift and sustained forward combat of the US; except in Europe.  After precision munitions, the US' capability to project sustained combat power is what scared everyone the most since 1991.

亚洲。只有美国有能力以任何有意义的方式穿越大洋作战。当然，有些国家可以开几枪，轰炸几个目标，但是维持一场战争？不可能。只有美国有这种能力。处于鼎盛时期的俄罗斯也无法维持美国的重型运输和持续的前线战斗，除了在欧洲。继精确制导武器之后，美国投射持续战斗力的能力是自1991年以来最让所有人害怕的。

Kk F.
@Joe D. "... Only the USA has that capability....".     And yet, she lost her wars in Vietnam, Syria, Afghanistan??

“只有美国有这种能力...”然而，她在越南、叙利亚、阿富汗的战争中失败了？

Mario C.
And these are only the things we actively know about. It’s likely there are top-secret projects in the works that will remain class ified even as they’re rolled out into active use.

这些只是我们积极了解的东西。很可能有一些正在进行的绝密项目，即使它们已经投入使用，仍继续保持机密。

Aston L.
It seems Chinese scientists could be an excellent fit as testers for products invented in US :)

看起来中国科学家很适合做美国发明的产品的测试员:)

Richard C.
For goodness sake, why could't these Chinese engineers keep quiet and let America continues making the mistakes by putting in some more money to their mistake drones? Let US digs the holed deeper and deeper first, so US would waste them more money to find out the original problems to be fixed.

看在上帝的份上，为什么这些中国工程师就不能够保持沉默，让美国继续为他们的错误无人机投入更多的资金？让美国先把洞挖得越来越深，这样美国就会浪费更多的钱去找出需要解决的原始问题。

Alenev 0.
@Richard C. Why? It was a design problem and it is too late for the US to make design changes. China can safely point out their flaws.

为什么？这是一个设计问题，美国现在改变设计为时已晚了。中国可以放心地指出它们的缺陷。

Beryl B.
@Richard C. For goodness sake, why don't you look at what these drones are actually meant to do?  You might then realise that this so-called 'analysis' is ridicu.lous.  

看在上帝的份上，你为什么不看看这些无人机的真正用途呢？你可能会意识到这种所谓的“分析”是荒谬的。

Richard C.
@Alenev 0. Fair enough, but it would be better let US digs their hole deeper and deeper. well done!

很有道理，但是最好让美国的坑挖得越来越深。干得好！

Richard C.
@Beryl B. You could not answer my previous asked simple question, why should I bother to reply your question? Just let me remind you about my previous question, IE. By the way what were your previous old user names before you created this new September 2021 user name?

你不能回答我之前提出的简单问题，我为什么要费心回答你的问题？让我提醒你一下我之前的问题。顺便问一下，在你2021年9月创建这个新的用户名之前，你以前的用户名是什么？

Beryl B.
@Richard C. I did answer your 'simple question', but you weren't listening.  BTW, I'll let you in on a little 'secret':  These drones aren't intended for high-g combat manoeuvring, so the reported analysis by Chinese engineers didn't uncover anything that wasn't already known. LOL

我确实回答了你的“简单问题”，但你没有听。顺便说一下，我要告诉你一个小秘密：这些无人机不是用来进行高重力作战的，所以中国工程师的分析报告并没有发现任何不为人知的东西。哈哈

Mario S.
@Beryl B. Drones that have already been overtaken by China's own drones technology. Yeah, there is nothing to fear from overpriced US toys.

中国自己的无人机技术已经超越了。是的，高价的美国玩具没什么可担心的。

V C.
Wow.. Scmp forums do attract a lot of Indians. Wonder why? Nothing interesting in the Delhi News? Nevertheless, India is best... SUPERPOWER, greatest and most advanced. After the get permission from Macron and Putin though. Lol

哇... 这论坛确实吸引了很多印度人。想知道为什么？新德里新闻没什么有趣的吗？不过，印度是最好的... 超级大国，最强大和最先进的。不过要先得到马克龙和普京的许可。哈哈

gui2**@******
The world has said it has found flaws in China

世界已经表示，它已经发现了中国的不足。

Paul W.
This is surprising.  You dont tell your enemy you have discovered a flaw in their weapons as it gives them the opportunity to rectify it before launching an attack.

这很让人惊讶。你不要告诉你的敌人发现了他们武器上的不足，因为这给了他们在发动攻击之前纠正这个缺陷的机会。

Aston L.
The Chinese "experts" couldn't understand it, The very strategy behind Valkyrie is to demolish the China's crude strategy of missile based denial of access. Denial of access as primary strategy is telling about China's inability to deal with US multi domain offensive capabilities. US has always said that about China and has never been too worried about it. The second wave of HARM missiles that follow Valkyrie will render China blind that will lead to US air dominance in the war theater.

中国的“专家”无法理解，瓦尔基里背后的战略，就是要摧毁中国基于导弹阻绝的粗糙战略。阻绝是中国的主要战略，这说明它无力应对美国的多领域进攻能力。美国一直是这么评价中国的，从来没有太担心过。紧随瓦尔基里之后的第二波哈姆导弹将使中国失明，从而给美国在战区带来空中优势。

Jon K.
You should be more concerned about orbitally-based kinetic weaponry. These are country-killers.

你们应该更关心轨道上的动能武器。这些才是国家杀手。

c**@******
why would you ever tell somebody you found a flaw? so they can improve a weapon against you?

为什么要告诉别人你发现了缺陷？这样他们就能改进对付你的武器？

Jack 1.
Every year it seems we are getting closer to the scri1pt of The Terminator.

似乎我们每年都离《终结者》的剧本越来越近了。

Alex F.
Engineering is always about compromising one feature over another.  That is why the F-35 was designed and manufactured after the F-22, the latter being the superior air superiority fighter.  So, no big revelation here.

工程设计总是要在一个特性和另一个特性之间妥协。这就是为什么F-35是在 F-22之后设计和制造的，后者是更优秀的制空战斗机。所以，这里没有什么大的披露。

Alenev 0.
@Alex F. F-35 could be a viable air deterant if it was not plagued with serious design and engineering flaws which are still not solved as of today. The problems are ao bad "The U.S. Air Force Just Admitted The F-35 Stealth Fighter Has Failed". As for the F22, it's production line has been dismantled after producing only 180 units of which 89 are fit for combat. (Military insiders estimate China has established at least four aviation brigades with a total of 150 J-20 fighter jets, consisting of two training bases in the north of the country and two aviation brigades in Anhui and Liaoning under the eastern and northern theatre commands.)

F-35如果没有严重的设计和工程缺陷，那么它可以成为一种可行的空中威慑力量，直到今天这些问题仍然没有得到解决。问题很严重“美国空军刚刚承认F-35隐形战斗机失败”。至于 F22，它的生产线只生产了180架就被拆除了，其中89架适合作战使用。(军方内部人士估计，中国至少建立了四个航空旅，总共拥有150架歼-20战斗机，其中包括在中国北部的两个训练基地，以及在东部和北部战区指挥下的安徽和辽宁两个航空旅。)

King L.
@Alenev 0. Cmon, 650 F35s has been delivered to the world's most advanced countries who themselves could produce their own jet fighters if they want to

拜托，650架F35已经交付给了那些世界上最先进的国家，如果他们愿意，他们自己也可以生产喷气式战斗机。

Mario S.
@King L. Oh you mean the F35s that are outdated and mostly crashed in the last few flights? Yeah supposed world's most advanced US toys that crash.

哦，你是说那些过时的F35，在最后几次飞行中大部分坠毁了？是啊，被认为是世界上最先进的美国玩具竟会坠毁。