David Honsberger former Accountant at Detroit Police Department (1972-1997)
They almost drove the U.S. into the ocean during the Korean war. Their proxies kicked our butts in Viet Nam. Now, they are highly motivated with better arms.
We are militarily led by the West Point Protective Association which does stupid shit. And we lose even after winning battles. We won the Tet offensive and lost the war. We win and then give the territory back to the enemy.
If we went to war with China, they would probably kick our butts because we would have no allies. The world would side with China. That would leave us so weak that Russia could take Alaska, Mexico could take back the southwest, and the remainder would be Balkanized into several smaller countries.
I will never see it because i will be dead on a battlefield somewhere.
“My country right or wrong”
while I can’t hide my feeling that it’s not right, neither I can hide my admiration to such patriotism.
let’s hope the war wouldn’t happen
It will not happen. We have no allies. The treatment of our allies shows the world that anyone would be crazy to be allied to us.
i love America, have served it in and out of the military for almost 60 years, and do not want to live to see it go down.
True, it shows in how the US treated Pakistan versus how China treated Pakistan. Both are at least supposed to be allies of Pakistan. But everyone knows you can’t trust the Americans any further than you can throw them. Whereas if China calls you an Ally then they will stay your Ally even in tough times.
David Dyer Notice how most of the wars in the past 40 years have been started by America. If it’s anyone who can’t seem to learn their lesson, it’s America.
China now has the 3rd largest military in the world, and is in partnership with Russia who has the 2nd largest.
Now it doesn’t want to go to war with anyone, but if Japan tries that shit again, China will absolutely relish in annihilating it. Same goes to any Western Alliance or country who wants to try their luck on Chinese land.
Andrew Chang, Part-time Philosopher
Ideally, it is the role and duty of every citizen to defend their country, especially so for soldiers that have pledged allegiance to the country and taken on such a vocation to do so directly.
That said, many many countries that are born after WW2 have not had their armed forces tested in a war. Notable is the direct participation of the PRC in the Korean conflict in 1950 through the PVA.
This applies to all countries that are involved in battlefields, that there is the expectation their soldiers will fight for their side and remain there till the conclusion.
“The Chinese suffered 100 years of humiliation and devastation triggered by the West which they have barely recovered from. How do you think Chinese soldiers might act on the battlefield if a foreign country threatened their country like that again?”
Did they really? The vast majority of china was never occupied by any western country and the only historic incident in the time frame when it is even vaguely sensible to talk about the ‘west’ is the war with Japan.
It seems rather obvious to say so but Japan at the time could not be defined as ‘western’ under any conceivable definition.
You and David Dyer, Does the word “triggered” or proper reading of a question not mean anything to Americans?
They were made honorary Aryans sounds pretty western to me
David Liu master Economics & History (2000)
how to threaten china now? the invading fleets would be sunk by china’s missle waves 1000 miles away from china’s coast…
so,chinese soldiers have little chance to deal with invaders on the battlefields…their main duty is to capture/rescue those exhausted invading sailors/soldiers ,who have luckily jumped out of sunkships’ deck and float near china’s coast…
Mark Peacock studied at Murdoch University
The past is the past. Killing people today because some other people long ago did harm to your great grandparents is not moral, it's not justice.
Move into the future, you can not avenge something that did not happen to you by hurting people who were not there.
Kenneth Lim Bachelor Degree from National University of Singapore
Have you read the Korea war? The Vietnam-China border war? The India-China border war? The Soviet Union-China border war? If you have not read any of them, go to library to read one of them to understand the Chinese army in the battle field.
Jonan Ng, Bachelor Medical BioScience
What do you mean “barely recovered from”? Mainland Chinese are doing well. China is developing rapidly. Their military surpassed the USChina's Military Has Surpassed US in Ships, Missiles and Air Defense, DoD Report FindsChina's military is already superior to the U.S. in several respects and is aiming for total dominance.
No surprise. I mean hell, what's the US been doing for the last 20 years? fighting a non stop conflict in the middle east. Now, this is important for one very big reason, and that's that both China and Russia now have 20 years of intel on the US military as well as 20 years of footage they've been studying on US military tactics, weapons, armor, how the US sets up bases, what bases look like, how they're formed, etc. A strong military is only as strong as the knowledge it wields, to where even with inferior weapons and tech, a "weaker" military force could out perform a superior one every day of the week, and America has basically handed this knowledge to the next strongest military forces on a silver platter while they spent 20 years studying and advancing everything so as to surpass us without losing moral, funding, and overall power.
【回复】这并不奇怪。我的意思是，在过去的20年里，美国一直在做什么？在中东地区不间断地进行冲突。现在，有一个非常重要的原因，那就是中国和俄罗斯现在都有关于美国军队的二十年情报，以及二十年来他们一直在研究的关于美国军事战术、武器、装甲、美国如何建立基地、基地是什么样子、如何形成等等的录像。一支强大的军队只取决于它所掌握的知识，即使拥有劣质的武器和技术，一支 "较弱 "的军队也能在一周内的每一天都胜过一支优秀的军队，而美国基本上已经把这些知识拱手让给了下一个最强大的军事力量，而他们花了二十年的时间研究和推进一切，以便在不失道德、资金和整体力量的情况下超越我们。
You can have all of the military vehicles and weapons you want, but if none of them work, you will be taken down by a much less strengthened military. I can only hope we stop letting the public be changed into what anti-nationalist weak minded scum we are becoming.
China has the capacity to replace personnel and equipment losses in a heated conflict, whereas the United States would have some serious difficulties given the crash of its manufacturing capacity over the past few decades.
I went to a Chinese trade show. There you could buy electric tools that has a 2-month warranty or you could buy electric tools that had a lifetime warranty. You get what you pay for.
The reason why Chinese products are often defective is a cultural one, the Chinese think they have no responsibility to use quality ingredients for their consumers. As for America's inability to fight a traditional war, not even total war, you're absolutely correct, in fact all of this is connected. When American Industry leaders picked up shop and moved our manufacturing to China they made a hefty profit for their CEO's and the Chinese at America's exspense. Those manufacturing jobs are what made the vast majority of American citizens able to afford American made-high quality goods, when they lost those jobs it came at the exchange of recieving lower priced goods shipped here from china, but they make less money too because now they work in the service industry. Our economy is a service economy now instead of a manufacturing one, wallmart and amazon is the new factory, and they pay so little that their employees are litterally being subsidized by tax dollars in the form of foodstamps and other aid. That moved American gdp away from industry, we're down to 7% of our gdp being from manufacturing, we need that to be 25% in order to make enough boots, and toothbrushes and stuff to be able to fight a war againsst the chinese. It's also 20 years, our population would need to be trained from scratch to make stuff again, we lost the knowledge at this point. Yay Capitalism without Government oversight.
Anyone who has frequented China knows that China is much more unified and is advancing much more rapidly than the US. When I send friends in America pics I took of my China trips, they get angry at me! What I am sending is contrary to what they have been led to believe.
Also, while the US wants people to focus on China being an authoritarian dictatorship, when you are there you can see that the government is very kind and thoughtful for its people. It is not the brutal dictatorship Mexicans have ben led to believe. The US needs to stop believing the propaganda demonizing China and see it for the emerging threat it really is, not just militarily but economically and culturally.
It is a real threat has been since the 50s who did we fight in Korea and Vietnam, who's weapons are all over the middle east
You fought Koreans and Vietnamese. The Russians gave both of the more logistical help than China did.
China did allow a lot more 'fraternal volunteers' to cross the Yalu - to match the USA rounding-up. That wasn't needed in Vietnam, they were doing OK on their own.
Learning Chinese at my age won't work. Let me fight.
So where is our 750-Billion a year going, we spend more than the next 7-nations combined, 5 are allies... I hope still...where is the money going, in to research...
【回复】那么，我们每年的7500亿美元花到哪里去了？我们的支出超过了后面7个国家的总和。其中5个国家是盟友... 我仍然希望... 这些钱会用于研究..
It's easy to outproduce others when you don't have to spend money researching new technology but instead just steal it.
You do understand we did the same thing to the Brits in the 1800's? And every developing nation does the same thing? And you're shocked?
The U.S. has 10,000 nukes, China has 250. Bottom line
US has 2500 active warheads,another 1000 in reserve that it can't really use.
Chinese numbers are classified.
All targeted by both the Chinese/Russians, our only hope are the Nuclear Subs, but I guess they are being tracked too...we might be able to launch 20-30 at best...I don't see the Russians standing by and watching, that would be their opportunity to strike and possibly survive....
【回复】所有这些都是中国/俄罗斯的目标，我们唯一的希望是核潜艇，但我猜他们也被追踪了... 我们最多只能发射20-30枚... 我不认为俄罗斯人会站在旁边看着，这将是他们发动攻击和生存下来的机会。
The Chinese economy has in the last 3-5 years measurably exceeded that of the US: The problem is I suspect that the average American has missed this because of the emphasis on the peculiarly massive increase in the US stock markets, while in China the increase was in GDP, industrial and infrastructure investment, exports and internal consumption.
However much of this stuff from the DoD is the usual click bait intended to frighten Americans into accepting massive additional investment in armament companies. For example the comments on the relative strength of the two navies is nonsensical invention. Basically they are saying that the Chinese navy has more boats than does the US Navy - utterly ignoring the size, strength and capacity of the 'boats' in question.
By shifting business away from China towards India, at the same time will be the only way to deal with the CCP.
India is the only one with the potential to be a strong partner against the China. Japan is weak and insular, and Australia is too small a population, and getting more socialist by the day.
I bet the Japanese Navy would kick the Chinese Navy's butt!
If we unleashed them, they could be tenacious little warriors...a little Sake and Kamikaze thrown in for good measure, reminiscent of the good old days of the Empire
We've already fought the Chinese in Korea, and that was not a happy experience for us.
To see what THAT was all about Google "Regimental Combat Team 31."
It was the first U.S. Army unit attacked by the Chinese, on the eastern shore of the Chosin Reservoir.
Wenxiang Chen lives in China
No matter what the background of the question is and which country it is, there can only be one answer to this question
are you ready
“How do you think Chinese soldiers might act on？”
——Just like soldiers all over the world, act on the orders of their commander
In 30 to 50 years, China is going to be an absolutely amazing country, everywhere clean, Everywhere clean energy Tech, everywhere modern, everyone happy.
West will criticize, threaten and argue for those 30–50 years, do nothing, spend all the taxpayers money on WMD’s, invade 10 Countries, Have 5 more financial meltdowns, but the last 4 won’t be that bad, because the 1st one to come destroyed the whole economy and we had no one to lend money
China doesn’t need to do anything but watch
The past 3 years have given the world the greatest comedy from the US in years
China just said in a few years we’ll be the biggest economy, the US went into panic attack. I doubt China cares that much if it’s number one or number 5, and it’s bad business if the US economy fails
The best revenge is to have a civil, flourishing society, where there is optimism and progress. Where there are strong civic institutions, an efficient bureaucracy, and effective laws. Where there is room for culture and the arts, a strong social safety net, and no poverty or homelessness.
THAT is the sign of strength. Aggression is for the weak and the desperate.
When you can have a century of progress, or a century of peace, THAT will be ultimate revenge for a century of humiliation.
Vincent Chu former Retired
Today war is more of economic. China was humiliated even in Asia when it was poor. China is respected now due to its economic status. Philippines now respect China and China was not respected by the Philippines when it was poor. The respect is due to its current economic status not military status.
I expect they would behave like the Afgani army - they’d throw away their arms and ask the western countries for a political assylum.
Henrique Valle lives in Lusaka, Zambia
The thing that most people who havent lived in China and Chinese who never lived in the West get wrong is that the two different worlds have a VERY different view in terms of country and its people.
To a Chinese in general an offense towards China is an offense towards China AND its people, top to bottom including everything Chinese that ever lived, offense in the past or present.
That opium you sold them? Well, one day you will pay for that or at least they will rationalize any action using that as a motive.For a Westerner this view of country and civilization as a monolith does not exist.
There's much more cohesion in the Chinese approach: the United Front Mao spoke about. You don't have that in the West, at all.