Following the departure of White House Deputy National Security Advisor Matthew Pottinger and with the Trump administration coming to an end, a number of documents have been declassified setting out its ‘Indo-Pacific’ strategy or, more specifically, its gameplan to attempt to contain China over its four years in office.The documents are hardly comprehensive, yet reveal ambitions to contain Beijing in the political, diplomatic, economic and military spheres, including a blueprint of what the US would do in a potential war scenario.
The concept of “the first island chain” was used by China to define its defensive policy. It has nothing to do with China’s offensive policy which is based on cruise and ballistic missiles that can strike anywhere. That makes the U.S. Navy extremely vulnerable considering the surveillance options that China has available - UP: 33 DN: 4
Thank you, Admiral. - UP: 0 DN: 2
You should be thanking the artillery specialists because they are the ones that are operative. - UP: 1 DN: 2
And when in history China went to be offensive in another continent ? China is using their Army and Navy for defence... in 5000 years of history! USA is completely different story. China never had aspirations to become the bully of the world, like USA is. - UP: 6 DN: 0
Well gee, I remember something about the Mongolian invasion. Ring a bell? - UP: 0 DN: 1
Mongolians are not Chinese. The Chinese were overrun by the Mongolians! - UP: 3 DN: 1
Sure, and Sicilians are not Italians, nor are Venicians. LOL. (Just to be clear: the Sicilians fought wars with the Italians!)
Average person can't tell a Han from a Mongol. But do read about their histories, which are like that of Spain and Portugal, except much much closer and without the Moors.
And spend a bit of it on the Yuan and Northern Yuan Dynasties while at it. Note that combination occurred before the Mongolians pushed into Europe.
Then come back.
Also, are the Zhuang Chinese? Or only the Han. Asking for a friend. (Note that China officially has 6 million Mongols, which is about twice the number of Mongols in Mongolia. Also wondering, are those Mongols Chinese, or not?) - UP: 1 DN: 1
In those days, the Chinese had no doubt that they were differet from the Mongolians. That is why the Great Wall of China was built, to keep the invaders out. When eventually the Mongols overran China; with time the Chinese had a civilising influence on the Mongols - UP: 3 DN: 1
The Great Wall was built not against Mongolians in particular but to delineate the dynasties - you see, like everyone else at that time, there were a lot of intraethnic conflicts. Lots of wars fought between groups even you would consider to be Chinese on both sides.
The fact is the Han joined with the Mongolians, formed the Yuan Dynasty, and went on to conquer most of the land they conquered, together. Your myths about "civilized Chinese" and "savage Mongols" notwithstanding. - UP: 0 DN: 3
If the stories about the Grand Fleet are true that was likely the only time that China has visited other continents and that was in the 1300's. Unlike the US they were exploring and trading with others. Not trying to occupy or conquer them. - UP: 4 DN: 0
As they should be - vulnerable. They have no justification for encircling China. What the usa is doing is a declaration of war. The only reason why there is no war yet - for now - is that China is a powerful giant and could squash the usa like a bug.
As it should. - UP: 13 DN: 2
US always assumes that itself would not get hit back if it attacks other countries. This is true for some countries that do not have the capability to strike back, but China is definitely NOT those countries and China can strike US. - UP: 19 DN: 1
It is the old domino theory with a fresh coat of paint. Didn't make sense back in the day, doesn't make sense today.
To counter the PLA Navy the US would have to go nuclear almost from the start, conventional weapons would be mostly ineffective. Which in turn would paint mushroom clouds on many islands in the pacific. - UP: 9 DN: 1
Nuclear weapons will not help the United States even the virus is too much. - UP: 7 DN: 2
The US must devise a blockade of China that allows Chinese goods to be imported to the United States. That is not a very good blockade is it? The US has no way of doing without Chinese products and that is not likely to change in the near future. - UP: 25 DN: 3
All that high tech stuff needs the rare earth materials that the PRC mines and refines. The US needs those materials. - UP: 6 DN: 1
Rare earth materials are not that rare, there are massive reserves in Brazil. The bigger issue is those mines have not been developed, so there would be a production lag. Question then is if there is sufficient stockpile (reserves) to last until deployment. - UP: 1 DN: 0
i expect US government has been smart enough to stash a contingent quantity of rare earth metal for some time. Either that or they hope for a quick win - UP: 1 DN: 2
The PRC has been limiting the amount of refined rare earths sold. The US used to have the capacity to mine and refine them but gave that up. It will take some time before they have the capability to do that once again. - UP: 2 DN: 0
When I walk around ANY store now in Washington State, for example, China totally dominates the supply chain for many of the goods. And compared to 20 years ago, a lot of the goods cost much less than half what they used to cost.
The just is no way the consumer is ever going to give it up the advantage it gets from buying Chinese goods, as it raises everyone's standard of living so much (reducing the cost of goods relative to income).
The USD has to totally move on and worry about developing its own economy and integrating with China, too. Start taking Chinese lessons, buddy. - UP: 16 DN: 2
Any conflict with the PRC started by the US would have to go nuclear almost right away. The supply lines from the US are too long and the US hasn't gone up against a similarly equipped adversary since WW2. They have pushed around small countries that can not defend themselves or sabre rattled to countries that can defend themselves. So much so that they think that they could win.
The US battle plan since the start of Cold War 1.0 is to use allies as cannon fodder to reduce any potential enemy's troops/resources. Then the US can waltz in after the heavy lifting is done and declare victory. - UP: 10 DN: 1
Similar to most other conflicts the US engage in and enjoy so well. - UP: 4 DN: 1
Modi's India, for example - UP: 0 DN: 0
Nuclear war on the oceans will not work for the US
Because Its ships will all be destroyed. Then what?
It is a dead end. The US is all bluff. There will not be a war with China. Just a war of words. - UP: 3 DN: 1
More than ever, it seems that the history of humankind is rooted in conflict and a desire to dominate others. Sadly, this seems to be widely accepted as "normality" and no one seems to question it. Discussions center around strategies to achieve domination or to counter it; seldome about why humanity should tolerate this domination game or how to put an end to it. Is there a fundamental need for supremacy by one group? Or is it detrimental to mankind? - UP: 18 DN: 3
Until recent times, last decade or so, I might have agreed with you. However, for a moment take the US totally out of the equation and imagine for example the UN. I think what we could end up with, will not be so different to the desired outcome that you have described. Yes, of course, there will be the normal bickering and disagreements, etc, but nothing that can't be resolved amicably. This is because no one, except US, has been the top dog for so long that everyone else has learnt and got used to negotiations. Not only they know how to do that, but also more importantly, they are willing to do that. Everyone else in the world, can survive, even thrive, without having to be at the very top of the food chain, except the US.
Nearly all the current fights for dominance, in various spheres, exits because everyone has to play the game with the rules which the US has set, because the US is at the top of the food chain and it can set the rules. Even those old imperialistic mess that have been created as the result of the arbitrary division of various lands across the world, are amicably resovable, once you take the US out of the picture. - UP: 12 DN: 2
I see your point…top dog in this sense is about setting the rules of the game. Yes, the others may have purposely sat back and let the US set the rules for some reason or another.
It's like, you are playing a game of football and out of nowhere comes a mad man entering the field and running naked after the ball, grabbing it, moving around the field, kicking it etc. Even if the other players run after him to get the ball back, they are no longer playing a game of football. Whilst this guy is still on the field not only they can't play football but they are playing to his rules. Not because his rules are any better, more relevant, or even because he is a better player or stronger than anyone else, but simply because of this one guy, the other 22 players have to play by his rules until he is off the field. Once he is of the field, then everyone can go back to playing football. It doesn't mean there won't ever be a foul or an offside in that game, but overall, the game will work, like it does many thousands of times across the globe each day. - UP: 6 DN: 0
Yes. Good comparison. The mad person is not necessarily the strongest on the field. Just the most aggressive. He will do his damage and then run out of gas. All the players need to do is to chase him out of the playground and, hopefully, into the hands of security. Not to engage in his aggression. - UP: 1 DN: 0
I don't disagree. But I'm also saying that, throughout history, humankind has engaged in continuous conflicts - UP: 0 DN: 0
The Article singles out the Trump administration, but policies are not made over night they take time to deliver and plans to target China have been developed years ago, Trump was just the latest delivery boy in the Whitehouse, it was under the Obama administration that the freedom of navigation challenges first started. - UP: 11 DN: 0
Forget the pivot to Asia. Trump is a major threat to the world not just to China. - UP: 1 DN: 1
Yup it was started by Obama/Biden pivot to Asia and the plan might has been hatched much earlier. I believe the execution time was delayed due to some of the targeted countries needed leadership changed especially those that believed in good relationship with China. - UP: 5 DN: 0
"Pivot" to Asia? Obama is just as bad as Bush. He means "OCCUPATION" of Asia. Like in Palestine. But it ain't gonna work. This not just a "China containment"; It is a War of Civilization offensive by Washington/America. - UP: 4 DN: 0
This actually proves that extremist was created around 90's to terrorise china if i recall reading from some where. - UP: 1 DN: 0
Can you imagine the British waged the opium war to rescue the chinese from opium addiction perpetrated by the Manchu govt ? - UP: 1 DN: 0
It’s been evident for some time that the US has been behind the rising tensions between India and China. And Modi has fallen into the trap. China would do well to address this important issue.
As far as the military strategy laid out, it may be a fake. I hope China doesn’t rely on it for any warfare planning. - UP: 17 DN: 4
Actually the US battle plan for the region is quite obvious. Any conflict will have the regional allies take the brunt of the battle along with some US regional cannon fodder. Once the opposition forces are reduced the US will come riding in like the US cavalry always did in the old westerns and mop up. The supply lines are too long for a sustained conflict supplied from the US so any conflict with the PRC in the region will go nuclear quickly. - UP: 9 DN: 1
The countries in the region like Japan and Korea have real concerns about China, I believe Indonesia is another one, Trump wasn't making that up, they have been caught spying on our tech companies for years and they have become an economic powerhouse because we were sold out by our politicians. Trump tried to get Russia into our sphere but traitors in our country stopped that with the Russia hoax, Russia would've been a very powerful ally and would have given China pause before starting anything foolish. - UP: 0 DN: 1
The PRC is only a threat to them economically because Japan is on the downswing because their debt to GDP Nominal is 223.8%. Korea sees the PRC as a threat to their economy whilst the PRC's debt to GDP ratio is only 4 percentage points above Koreas.
The US has been caught spying on allies and stealing secrets as well. Are we supposed to ignore the economic and industrial espionage that the US does?
Donny did no such thing as try to get Russia into the western sphere. The US has declared Russia an enemy for the last 100 years - UP: 0 DN: 0
The US will avoid war with China. - UP: 3 DN: 0
The US military does not promote on merit. It's a good old boys network of sycophants. Not unlike the CEO of any US corporation, one ran the military into the ground with endless conflicts, the other ran the economy into the ground with endless speculation and debt. They are diehard disaster capitalists. - UP: 1 DN: 1
But, it's got a large army of transgender BLM activists that will fight hard for them. - UP: 0 DN: 0
US has done dirty work for chinaman and indian and now is own turn to croak. - UP: 1 DN: 1
They couldn't defeat camel riding Teleban with annual $750 billion military machinery, imagine what China would do to them...I would put my money on Iranian military any time, or Russian military brass band for that matter... - UP: 20 DN: 0
The US misstep was when it isolated Russia while seeking to neutralise China. Historically it has been proven that You need an isolated China to attack. You cannot win against China when their neighbour Russia is in love with China. So America has lost that battle. Russia and China prevails. And They must remain together to counter the US aggressiveness and threats. - UP: 14 DN: 0
You make some good points. The US has pushed Russia and China to be best friends and I think that over time, this will just continue to grow though joint investments and dependencies of their economies, scrubbing each other's backs. Russia also is a good partner with China in Africa, Central Asia and the Middle East, often complementing each other. - UP: 4 DN: 0
The US has forgotten how to compete so they only rely on sanctions. That is a losing game today when China can retaliate. - UP: 3 DN: 0
Russia has never been in love with China - Obama's sanctions made them partners. - UP: 2 DN: 10
Your logic applies to US relationship with it's vassals. Take japan for instance, do you think the proud Japanese love US and choose to be subservient despite being nuked and forced to accept the suicidal Plaza Accord ? - UP: 7 DN: 0
Very insightful point about Japan. The proud Japanese don't love the US.
Yet in South Korea's case, the country has been marinating in US cultural propaganda for so long, especially through the education system, and especially since the '97 financial crash/IMF bailout, that they are reluctant to cut the cord from their beloved lord and master.
South Korea has come to the conclusion that being a lapdog is a convenient, stable life, at whatever cost to honor and integrity. - UP: 0 DN: 0
Relationship between Russia and China is symbiotic. They complement each other, with or without Obama's sanction. Their annual trade is approaching $200B. - UP: 5 DN: 0
I guess you don't remember many of those trade agreements sat on the bargaining table for over a decade until Obama's sanctions. China only cares about Han Chinese. - UP: 2 DN: 1
USA forced China into that competitive with her constant false accusations of restricted shipping and naval freedom of navigation operations breaching of Chinese claims over some-reclaimed islands in the SCS despite the fact that commercial shipping in the region had never been hampered by China in anyway and that they lay in China's backyard while the US is some 10,000 miles away. - UP: 8 DN: 1
This article hits it on the head. In the event of a conflict with China, the US's first option is to cut off China's shipping by shutting down access through the Malacca Strait. It is REALLY clear that it is really necessary for China to control the South China Sea. This includes having take over Taiwan (a part of China anyways).
In the next 5 years, China is going to push its control out another 500 km, so it can prevent the US from dominating the whole area. The US navy won't be able to get anywhere near China at this point. Meanwhile, China will be transporting a lot of its goods inland which also is a game changer. Its BRI developments will make it quite untouchable to the US military machine.
Big changes ahead. China will be twice as big as the US (in terms of parity of purchasing power) within 5 years and much of the world will report to Beijing (in terms of being allied business partners). - UP: 3 DN: 0
The US economy is tied to the Chinese economy. you could think of them as Siamese twins connected at the hip. The US wants to kill its brother. Imagine that. it will not work. And naval warfare today is far more destructive than ever before so the U.S. Navy could not operate anywhere near China. Expect no war between China and the US but Much huff and puff. - UP: 1 DN: 0
5000 years of experience as a country vs 200+ years of experience as a country. On which country would you bet in case of conflict? - UP: 7 DN: 1
五千年的国家经验 vs 两百多年的国家经验。如果发生冲突，你会押注哪个国家？
The older, the more obsolete. The US for example is long due for an overhaul, instead of worshiping quotes from hypocritical land-grabbers, who didn't want to pay taxes and share the spoils with London, better known by the group nickname "farmers". Their anachronistic Constitution does not even guarantee all citizens the right to vote! Thus far, the Chinese Communist Party has showed it can learn from it's own mistakes, an ability the Demopublicans have lost a long time ago. - UP: 4 DN: 0
You wrote "The older, the more obsolete."
I agree. But also more resilient, more likely to survive in the long run. Consider this justification. Let's assume that the current point on the time scale is not special; that is, it is just a point in time. Therefore, statistically speaking, it is an average point, the center of Gaussian distribution. Therefore, half of the points are on the left of it, i.e., older, the past, and the other half on the right of the center, i.e. in the future. Now consider 5000 years in the past for China, implying 5000 years of future. And for the USA it is 250 years in the past, suggesting 250 years of future. That's it - very simple, no assumptions except that our point in time is not special. - UP: 0 DN: 0
This document is essentially saying american dominance in east Asia is over. - UP: 5 DN: 0
That's a good thing. The Americans should fix their own home. - UP: 2 DN: 0
What sort of brain cell would you need to follow a strategy against a country that at the drop of a hat could put a million men into producing anti ship missiles. China has the manpower to manufacture such numbers.
Go home US and mind your own business - UP: 8 DN: 0
China is big brother to Asia. yeah, they have disagreements as all brothers do, but in the end they are big brother. how so? well, Asia wouldn't be as independent as it is, if not for China. the water around Asia would have no security if not for China...drugs aren't pumped into Asia wholessale, because of China....when the West was victimizing Asia, China stood as a victim too....and now that China is not longer a victim, they seek to liberate those that are..you see, China is the bastion of revolution, self determination, independence, and truly living in freedom for the oppressed masses of the world.. No one trying to have war and fight. instead, learn the lessons of the past and make a brighter future for all life on earth...and China will do that. - UP: 6 DN: 0
While I hate to agree with you on much ChinAnkhKhan, the reality is that there is a lot that the Western world could learn from Asian culture, especially China. While I don't support some of the operations of the Chinese government (draconian laws and censorship), it can't be denied that people in China feel one thing more than Americans...that they are, in fact, Chinese. The schism between multiple ideologies in America must not exist in China, and that is a grand lesson to learn. - UP: 2 DN: 0
Nothing wrong with nationalism as long as everyone shows mutual respect. Trump on the other hand is trying to promote wh1te supremacy as far as that's concerned. - UP: 2 DN: 0
India, like its democratic mentor, is addicted to the profits of disaster capitalism. They will never have the capacity to reach the stated projections. They too, hardily impose a coldwar on citizens. The sanctions imposed on nation states are now on western citizens and it has be come a mega minimum security prison. - UP: 0 DN: 0
The US better accept the reality and mind their own domestic problem or strengthen their own sphere of influence in the Western hemisphere. The world is changing and a unipolar world superpower is no more. - UP: 2 DN: 0
Every empire rise and fall, but find way to survive are very important. China did it for more than 3 thousand year and they are not finish yet. - UP: 3 DN: 0
And by 'not finished' we see that China is number one economy of the world in real money/gold/products, ignoring Wall Street fake numbers this is the reality. - UP: 1 DN: 0
America is becoming more dysfunctional by the day.
And good luck fielding a 'diverse' military against a technological peer like China or Russia. You will get smoked. - UP: 6 DN: 0
The US isn't a chess player, it doesn't think moves ahead, India should also be thinking ahead because if the US will do this to China to stop their progress up the ladder it will do it to anyone, even the EU - UP: 7 DN: 0
Nah, India thinks they are too poor for US to come and rob them, but they should remember that never stopped England from robbing them for centuries. - UP: 0 DN: 0
If that is the case, talk about a debilitated mentality. Want to be powerful, bullying, and imperialistic while whinning sanctimoniously, how poor and destitute and how spiritual they are, which is a lot of bunkum. India is a thug nation. - UP: 0 DN: 0
In any event, China will prosper. Russia will succeed. US is on free fall. - UP: 3 DN: 0
US can't even defeat Afghanistan! did you really think they could defeat a country huge and armed to the teeth like China? Iran it's very important that you get your nukes asap. - UP: 4 DN: 0
I recall not so long ago a handful of Ethiopians taking the 10 million dollars helicopter down and killing entire lot of 19 soldiers, with a couple of stones and an odd wooden stick. If these primitives could defeat "superior usa technology", imagine what would Chinese, armed to the teeth and capable of messing up usanian "superior technology", do to these "patriots" and "heros". - UP: 3 DN: 0
The last painful roar of an inevitable dying Empire before being isolated by the rest of the world even former vassals - UP: 5 DN: 1
China and Asians had defeated the Jow warmonger criminal establishment hiding in US/West, Opium war, Korean war and Vietnam war, history remember, crime must pays, China and Asian retaliate, get the ready, H-2.0 is imminent. - UP: 2 DN: 0
The title is misleading..America has no doubt it can defeat China in a War..America can defeat any country in a war...the problem, how do they do it without themselves being destroyed...that, is the dillema. - UP: 3 DN: 1
Godspeed to China!
Godspeed to Russia!
The sooner America collapses, the better. - UP: 6 DN: 1
Give it a rest. Russia and China are children. - UP: 0 DN: 3
Chine is like 7k years old. If wisdom is hidden it is there. US can do Indo-something-something but Chine is way above their pay-grade. :) To be honest, I'm happy that my dear Russians have their back covered, at least for few decades, Russian are impressive nation 1k year old having all possible cataclysm a man can think off. It's time for Rus to take a breath. - UP: 1 DN: 0
America should play nice with China,otherwise America will disappear. - UP: 3 DN: 1
I have yet to decide which political system is better. Royalty: the rule of one. Communism: the rule of the few. Democracy: the rule of the mentally-challenged - UP: 1 DN: 0
By the end of this decade, US will realise, or forced by circumstances, that the best option is to accept China's proposal, Mutual Respect Mutual Benefits and abandon its demand, America First and World Domination mentality. - UP: 4 DN: 1
As if they have a choice. - UP: 2 DN: 1