[2020-09-17]关税问题？新冠疫情？中国的出口正逆境激增

This was supposed to be the year that China’s export machine began to stall. President Trump had imposed broad tariffs on Chinese goods. Countries like Japan and France pushed companies to shift production from China. The pandemic had crippled China’s factories by the end of January.
Instead, China Inc. has come roaring back.

今年本应该是中国的出口机器开始停滞的一年。特朗普总统对中国商品广泛征收了关税。日本和法国等国家推动企业将生产从中国转移出来。而到一月底，这场疫情曾让中国的工厂陷入瘫痪。
但相反，中国制造已经卷土重来。

After reopening in late February and early March, China’s factories began an export blitz that is still gaining steam. Exports soared in July to their second-highest level ever, nearly matching the record-setting Christmas rush last December. The country has grabbed a much larger share of global markets this summer from other manufacturing nations, entrenching a dominance in trade that could last long after the world begins to recover from the pandemic.

在2月底和3月初重启之后，中国的工厂开始了一场出口闪电战，目前仍在加速。7月份出口飙升至有史以来的第二高水平，几乎赶上去年12月创纪录的圣诞购物潮。今年夏天，中国从其它制造业国家手中获取了更大的全球市场份额，巩固了自己在贸易领域的主导地位，而这种主导地位可能会在全球开始从这场疫情中复苏之后持续下去。

China is showing its export machine cannot be stopped — not by the coronavirus and not by the Trump administration. Its resilience lies not only in the country’s low-cost, skilled labor and efficient infrastructure but also in a state-controlled banking system that has been offering small and large businesses extra loans to cope with the pandemic.

中国正在证明，它的出口机器不会被阻止，不能被新冠疫情阻止，也不会被特朗普政权阻止。它的韧性不仅在于这个国家低成本、熟练的劳动力和高效率的基础设施，还在于国有银行体系，该体系一直在向大小企业提供额外贷款，以应对疫情。

The pandemic has also found China better placed than other exporting nations. It is making what the world’s hospitals and housebound families need right now: personal protection gear, home improvement products and lots of consumer electronics.

与其他出口国相比，此次疫情也让中国处于更有利的地位。它正在制造世界上医院和家庭现在所需要的东西：个人防护装备、家居用品和大量的消费电子产品。

At the same time, demand has withered for many big-ticket items exported by the United States and Europe, like Boeing and Airbus jets. And with most economies except China’s now mired in recessions, demand has also faltered for the commodities that most developing countries export, particularly oil.

与此同时，美国和欧洲出口的许多大宗商品，如波音和空中客车飞机，需求已经萎缩。除了中国以外，大多数经济体目前都陷入衰退，对大多数发展中国家出口的大宗商品的需求也出现了下滑，尤其是石油。

Families all over the world are sprucing up the homes they are now stuck inside. They have been buying everything from computer screens and stereo systems to power tools and home saunas — many of which are made in China.

全世界的家庭都在装修他们现在困在里面的房子。他们购买了从电脑屏幕、音响系统到电动工具和家庭桑拿的所有东西，其中许多都是中国制造的。

Hongyuan Furniture in the southern city of Guangzhou has hired 50 extra workers after export orders for its home saunas more than doubled this year. A short drive farther south in Zhongshan, Star Rapid has stayed profitable, making robot casings and quickly producing high-tech models — a process known as rapid prototyping. And a few miles to the west, Trueanalog has ruled out moving production of its top-end stereo speakers to the United States, its main market, or to Vietnam, where wages can be even lower.

今年，广州宏源家具有限公司的家用桑拿房出口订单增加了一倍多，该公司又雇佣了50名员工。在中山市向南一小段车程的地方，世达公司一直保持盈利，生产机器人外壳，和快速制造高科技模型，这过程被称为快速模具工艺。再往西几英里，真类比公司已经排除了将其高端立体声扬声器的生产转移到其主要市场美国或者转移到工资更低的越南的可能性。

The strength of China’s export machine complicates the Trump administration’s push to reduce the trade deficit — the gap between what the United States exports and what it imports.

中国出口机器的实力，使得特朗普政府减少贸易逆差(美国出口与进口之间的差距)的努力变得困难起来。
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kotyok
Even Keith Bradsher, well-known China hater and Sulzberger lapdog, finds himself forced to admit the overwhelming reality that China has outperformed in every way because it is intelligently led and hard-working. You can sense his bitter disappointment in every line.

就连著名的反华者、苏兹伯格的哈巴狗基思•布拉德舍也发现自己不得不承认这样一个压倒性的现实：中国在各个方面都表现优异，因为它有聪明的领导和勤奋的工作。你从每一行字里都可以感受到他的痛苦和失望。

occupatio
Ive long thought Bradsher is practically a CIA asset.

我一直认为布拉德舍实际上是中情局的线人。

detectiveconan2344
China won the trade war.
China will win the tech war after a bit of struggle and perseverance. After China get everything domestically without relying on international imports, Anglos are fucked. All the news article are writing about the death of Huawei. Anglos only think short term, but once Huawei get everything in order, we see CNN or NYTimes print "Huawei rises from the grave, it's game over for the West".
After all, struggling through tech innovation and hardware innovation for a tech war is better than struggling through trenches and mine fields in an actual war.

中国赢得了贸易战。
经过一些努力和毅力，中国将赢得这场科技战争。在中国不依赖国际进口而在国内获得一切之后，盎格鲁人就完蛋了。所有的新闻报道都在报道华为之死。盎格鲁人只考虑短期，但一旦华为掌控了一切秩序，我们会看到美国有线电视新闻网或纽约时报印刷“华为起死回生，西方的游戏结束了”的报纸。
毕竟，为了一场科技战争而在科技创新和硬件创新中挣扎，要比在一场真正的战争中在战壕和雷区中挣扎要好得多。

eiamhere69
The population of China makes ist arge enough to be self sufficient.
They could easily manage without other nations, once you factor in world trade however, they are absolute juggernaut.
The US are petrified, genuinely fearful of what now looks inevitable. I can't explain how a nation with such a tight and ruthless grip over the world for so long can be so incompetent.
Can we really have a world where every nation is connected and cooperates positively? Can China bring I'd world peace?
They sound like very, very high Hopes, but this is likely the closest the world has ever been to having that option (potentially).

中国的人口之大足以实现自给自足。
如果在没有其他国家的情况下，他们也可以轻松应对，然而，一旦你把世界贸易考虑在内，他们就是绝对的主宰者。
美国吓呆了，真的害怕现在看起来不可避免的事情。我无法解释，一个这么长时间牢牢控制着世界的国家，怎么会这么无能呢？
我们真的可以拥有一个每个国家都互相联系和积极合作的世界吗？中国可以给世界带来和平吗？
这听起来像是非常，非常高的期望，但这很有可能是世界上有史以来最接近于(潜在的)拥有这种选择的一次了。

Serinous
Even with the 25 percent tariff, the manufacturers in China still have lower costs

即使有25% 的关税，中国的制造商仍然有较低的成本。

XenosphereWarrior
Not just lower cost, the American clients cannot find anybody else who can produce the same quality as Chinese companies:
Wang Tianxiang, manager of the TISCO Steel Precision Strip Company, says they have an American client who buys up to 140 tons of steel products each month. But after the US imposed a 25-percent tariff on imported steel products, due to cost concerns, the client suspended business with TISCO for about two months.
“But it turned out that they couldn’t find another supplier as good as us. They believe China’s products are irreplaceable in the global supply chain. They prefer Chinese suppliers because our products combine good quality with the best prices,” Wang said.

不仅成本更低，美国客户也找不到任何其他公司能生产出与中国公司同等质量的产品。
太钢精密带钢有限公司经理王天祥表示，他们有一个美国客户，每月购买多达140吨的钢铁产品。但在美国对进口钢铁产品征收25%关税后，出于成本考虑，该客户暂停了与太钢的业务约两个月。
王先生说“但事实证明，他们找不到另一家像我们这样好的供应商。他们认为中国的产品在全球供应链中是无法替代的。他们更喜欢中国供应商，因为我们的产品质量好，价格优。”

eiamhere69
China is integrated so deeply and efficiently in to everything the world needs and depends on.
It's so ironic, the greed of the west is it's downfall (really just a select few with wealth and power). This greed and wealth is like a noose around the neck of these nations, which continues to tighten.

中国非常深入和有效地融入到世界需要和依赖的一切事物中。
具有讽刺意味的是，是西方的贪婪导致了自己的衰落(实际上只是少数拥有财富和权力的人)。这种贪婪和财富就像套在这些国家脖子上的绳子，而这些国家脖子上的绳子一直在收紧。

wakeup2019
I wish I could bottle American tears and sell them. 😭😭😭

我希望我能把美国人的眼泪装到瓶子里卖掉。

thepensiveiguana
That would be quite the water source

那将会是相当丰富的水源

money_over_people
Too salty, requires desalination

太咸，需要淡化的。

jorvis_nonof
Too salty and fatty.

太咸、太油腻。

eiamhere69
Don't be ridiculous, even the great China couldn't cope with such quantities.
😂

别傻了，即使是庞大的中国也无法应付这样的数量。

taizong14
In short its over. China won the trade war, what more needs to be said?

简而言之，中国赢得了贸易战，还需要说些什么呢？

Serinous
“To be sure, China’s dominance of global manufacturing could be hurt by geopolitical shifts, such as if other countries demand that companies move part of their supply chains elsewhere. The United States and Japan have begun to do so. European governments like France’s have started to move in the same direction, particularly for medical supplies.”
Moving medical supply chain back to your own country. The same country that didn’t respond to a pandemic well at all. How’s that a good strategy at all?

回复“可以肯定的是，中国在全球制造业的主导地位可能会受到地缘政治变化的影响，比如如果其它国家要求企业将部分供应链转移到其它地方。美国和日本已经开始这样做了。像法国这样的欧洲政府已经开始朝着同样的方向行动，尤其是在医疗用品方面。”
将医疗供应链移回自己的国家。同样是这些国家，对疫情的处理一点也不好。这算哪门子的好策略？

occupatio
other countries demand that companies move part of their supply chains elsewhere. The United States and Japan have begun to do so.
This is a US media lie. Little manufacturing has moved from China back to Japan, even with Japanese subsidies for moving back. Or back to the US.
And the supposed moves from China to Vietnam are greatly exaggerated, as Vietnam has limited capacity to absorb it all. It pales in comparison to even just guangdong province

回复“其它国家则要求企业将部分供应链转移到其它地方。美国和日本已经开始这样做了。”
这是美国媒体的谎言。很少有制造业从中国迁回日本，即使日本为迁回提供补贴。或者回到美国。
所谓的从中国转移到越南被过分夸大了，因为越南吸收这些转移的能力有限。甚至与广东省相比都相形见绌。

jorvis_nonof
Any move in manufacturing to Vietnam benefits China, as Vietnam itself becomes a wealthier country and bigger consumer of higher-end Chinese goods...

随着越南本身变成一个更加富裕的国家，成为中国高端商品的更大消费国，任何向越南转移制造业的举措都将有利于中国...

Agastasa
The Japanese economy is incredibly fragile due to its location, lack of resources, and geography. It needs China to survive more than China needs Japan. Japan's economy will remain always intertwined with China.

由于缺乏资源和地理位置，日本经济极其脆弱。它更需要中国的生存，而不是中国需要日本。日本的经济将永远与中国交织在一起。

eiamhere69
So true.

太对了。

Scarborosaurus
Pretty funny how the result of India’s “boycott against China” is higher imports from China.. 😂 all bark no bite

有趣的是，印度“抵制中国”的结果——来自中国的进口增加了

Breadboxery
Just keep crying fake news until you are forced to confront with undeniable facts.

不停地哭诉假新闻，直到你被迫面对不可否认的事实。

occupatio
Bradsher's claim that the RMB is kept low for export advantage is ridiculous given how much the RMB has risen in both short and years-long time frames. Even the US Department of Commerce and the IMF have dismissed this accusation. Yet Bradsher is still repeating an old scrip1t.
The most manipulated currency is the USD. It issues debt in vast quantities then decreases all its debt obligations with currency devaluation. Or put simply, pumping money at astronomical amounts is the biggest currency intervention in the world.

考虑到人民币在短期和多年时间内的升值幅度，布拉德舍声称人民币保持低汇率是为了出口优势，这很荒谬。即使是美国商务部和国际货币基金组织也驳斥了这一说法。然而，布拉德舍仍然在重复一个老旧的剧本。
最受操纵的货币是美元。它发行大量债务，然后通过货币贬值减少所有债务。或者简单地说，以天文数字的规模注入资金，是世界上最大的货币干预行动。

eiamhere69
In most other circumstances, this would be referred to as fraud. Obviously I understand it's not, but this is one of many examples of how the greed of those in power within the US, has backed them into a corner, they are a very, very easy target now.

在大多数其他情况下，这做法会被称为欺诈。显然我明白这不是，但这是美国当权者的贪婪，将他们自己逼入绝境的众多例子之一，他们现在是一个非常，非常容易受攻击的目标。

occupatio
In most other circumstances, this would be referred to as fraud.
it can be considered a Ponzi scheme: a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors.
And worse, the earlier investors get less return because the USD is worth less than before.

回复“在大多数其他情况下，这做法会被称为欺诈。”
这可以认为是一种庞氏骗局：一种吸引投资者的欺诈形式，利用较近期投资者的资金向早期投资者支付利润。
更糟糕的是，由于美元比以前贬值，早期投资者获得的回报更少。

Agastasa
China is not an export-driven economy anymore. Exports are only 15 percent of the ecomony. Most of the growth is driven internally. The US has trying doing everything to undermine China if it was simple as simply just bringing back factories or just ''simply decoupling'', they would done it by now.

中国不再是一个出口驱动型经济体。出口仅占经济总量的15%。大部分的增长是由内部驱动的。美国一直在竭尽全力削弱中国的影响力，如果仅仅是简单地让工厂回来或“简单地与中国脱钩”就能实现，那么它们早就会这么做了。

eiamhere69
Over the last 2 decades China have performed wonders, they are a very powerful nation, even if they remained section of from the rest of world.
When you add all other nations, it is clear to see why they are so close to taking power away from the US.

在过去的20年里，中国创造了许多奇迹，他们是一个非常强大的国家，即使他们仍然与世界其他地方保持着距离。
当你把所有其他国家加起来，就可以清楚地看到，为什么他们如此接近接管美国手中的权力。

occupatio
yes. but the percentage of exports varies across sectors and products. some Chinese sectors would suffer deep losses if exports dropped off significantly.
eg, if Huawei could only sell to the Chinese market, it would have to radically curtail its R&D due to a huge drop in revenue. for advanced technologies, the issue is not so much profit but rather revenue growth for further R&D.

是的。但不同行业和不同产品的出口比例各不相同。如果出口大幅下降，中国一些行业将蒙受重大损失。
例如，如果华为只能向中国市场销售，由于收入的大幅下滑，它将不得不大幅削减其研发。对于先进技术而言，问题不在于利润，而在于进一步研发所需的收入增长。

Agastasa
I can't think of any single thing that the US can do to stop Chinese exports from going to other countries besides a massive naval blockade. But even then, the US would face international condemnation, since not is only harming the Chinese economy but the economies of dozens of countries whose top trading partners is China. The US would need to become a parish state to pull it off.

除了大规模的海上封锁，我想不出美国还能做什么来阻止中国向其他国家出口商品。但即便如此，美国仍将面临国际社会的谴责，因为这不仅损害了中国经济，还损害了数十个以中国为主要贸易伙伴的国家的经济。美国需要成为一个孤立国家才能实现这一目标。

occupatio
indeed. that's why the US is shitting its pants. china is not like the USSR -- it cannot be cut off from the rest of the world like in the cold war.
the logic of markets is evidenced by Huawei penetration in Europe. even though the US can corral most of the five eyes to forbid Huawei, for Germany and the rest of Europe and especially southern Europe, they are all competing with each other, and are each looking to gain an advantage. all it takes is one country to adopt Huawei for others to get in on it, or they lose out against their regional neighbors, and against global competition. there is just too much advantage and profit to be made trading with China. especially when china makes special allowances for those under its umbrella of influence.
what would be funny to see is if some african countries get 5G faster and better than five eyes like UK or australia.
australia will become, to borrow lee kwan yew's words, the 'white trash of asia' if it continues down its path of aggression against China and thereby biting the hand that feeds it. that it goes against its own broader national interest in following the anti-China stance of the US indicates that the political establishment must be getting advantages in backdoor ways, such as graft and kickbacks from military purchases.

确实。这就是为什么美国会吓得屁滚尿流。中国不像前苏联——它不能像冷战时期那样与世界其它地区隔绝。
华为在欧洲的渗透就是市场逻辑的证明。尽管美国可以控制大部分五眼国家限制华为，但对于德国和欧洲其它国家，尤其是南欧国家而言，它们都在相互竞争，都在寻求获得优势。只要一个国家采用华为，其他国家都会加入，否则他们就会输给他们的邻国，输给全球竞争。与中国进行贸易有太多的优势和利润。特别是当中国对其势力范围内的国家给予特殊照顾时。
有趣的是，如果一些非洲国家获得5G的速度比英国或澳大利亚这样的“五眼”更快更好的时候。
借用李光耀的话来说，如果澳大利亚继续沿着进犯中国的路走下去，并咬了养活它们的手，那么澳大利亚将成为“亚洲的白色垃圾”。澳大利亚追随美国的反华立场，违背了自身更广泛的国家利益。这表明，政治机构肯定是通过走后门的方式获得优势，比如从军购中获得贿赂和回扣。

Tahuaya Armijo
I distinctly remember President Trump saying that "trade wars are easy to win."
He forgot to tell us that China was going to be the winner.

我清楚地记得特朗普总统说过“贸易战很容易赢。”
他忘了告诉我们是中国很容易赢。

MomT
No to be classist or anything but don't a large number of Trump voters shop at Walmart and The Dollar Store? Everything in those places was manufactured in China. These people just don't get it.

我不是阶级歧视或者其他什么的，但是特朗普的大部分选民不是在沃尔玛和一元商店购物吗？这些地方的所有东西都是中国制造的。这些人就是不明白。

Jeb!
Having travelled in China for years I tell people that the West cannot compete. China's workers work hard and the county has made the decisions and investments to succeed.
While the West focusses on social issues and entertainment, China focusses on success.
Do not listen to the flag wavers, focus on results.
Unfortunately, we have lost this contest.

在中国旅行多年后，我告诉人们，西方无法与之竞争。中国的工人们努力工作，国家做出了成功的决定和投资。
当西方关注社会问题和娱乐时，中国则关注成功。
不要听信挥旗者，而是关注结果。
不幸的是，我们输了这场比赛。

Concerned Officer
Thank Obama and Biden for China's rise. No administration enabled China more.

感谢奥巴马和拜登让中国崛起。没有任何一届美国政府能比这更让中国受益。

CEHR
@Concerned Officer
...most favored nation was granted to china in 1972 - by Nixon after meeting with Chinese. Almost every President, republican and democrat since, has accepted this status.

...1972年，尼克松在与中国人会晤后，授予中国最惠国待遇。自那以后，几乎每一位总统，无论是共和党还是民主党，都接受了这种地位。

JGS
The problem with pollution in Chinese manufacturing and mining is not spoken of enough. The true impact of this single issue will dog the Chinese for a very long time.
The bad rap that ecological disaster brings is significant and the more we know the more repugnant Chinese manufacturing and mining will become.

中国制造业和采矿业的污染问题还没有得到足够的重视。这一问题的真正影响将在很长一段时间内困扰中国。
生态灾难带来的负面影响是显而易见的，我们了解越多，中国制造业和采矿业将会越令人厌恶。

Wayne
@JGS China now has a green policy and officially claims to put environment first, with the slogan "gold mountains and silver mountains are nothing compared to green mountains and turquoise water." How much they stick to that is of course the question. However, friends of mine living in China have noticed real changes. Such changes tend to vacillate and polluting industries tend to get shifted to inland provinces, for now. But they are making a big push on renewal energies overall and the general direction is positive. I think we should not underestimate that.

中国现在实行绿色政策，官方宣称要把环境放在第一位，口号是“金山银山比不上绿水青山”他们能坚持多久当然是个问题。然而，我在中国的朋友已经注意到了确实的变化。这样的变化往往摇摆不定，污染行业趋向于转移到内陆省份，就目前而言是这样。但是他们正在全面推动可再生能源的发展，总的方向是积极的。我认为我们不应该低估这点。

Oli
Chinas good governance, its growth and development, will continue forever until the day it adopts "democracy". As soon as "democracy" gets its filthy claws sunk in to any government, thats when we begin to see policies that serve the uber wealthy, and the decline of a modern nation. Then they will move on to the next big power. India? India is already done for.

中国的善治，它的成长和发展，将永远持续下去，直到它采用了西式“民主”。一旦西式“民主”的魔爪伸向任何政府，那我们就会开始看到为超级富豪服务的政策，以及一个现代化国家的衰落。然后它们会转向下一个大国。印度？印度早就完蛋了。

Jenny1991
If you want China to become a democracy eventually, then set an example. Most Chinese people used to admire the West so much, but how the western democracies, especially the US (the once beacon county), have performed in recent years has confused them, including many educated young people. So, I think the West needs a better way to engage with China. After all, the West won the Cold War mostly through soft power.

如果你希望中国最终成为一个“西方民主”式的国家，那就树立一个榜样。大多数中国人过去非常崇拜西方，但西方民主国家，尤其是美国(曾经的灯塔国)近年来的表现让他们感到困惑，包括许多受过教育的年轻人。因此，我认为西方需要一个更好的方式来与中国打交道。毕竟，西方主要是通过软实力赢得了冷战。

Mr. Adams
As anyone but our so-called president could have predicted, bashing China on social media and putting up tariffs was never going to result in huge trade concessions or really any concessions at all. It was a failed plan from the start, but not to worry, Trump will solve it all by banning TikTok. That'll really cook China's goose.

正如除了我们所谓的总统以外的任何人都能预见到的那样，在社交媒体上抨击中国、提高关税，永远不会产生巨大的贸易让步，甚至根本不会有任何让步。这从一开始就是一个失败的计划，但不用担心，特朗普会通过禁止TikTok来解决这一切。这可真的会打败中国。

M
Given that the majority of American (and many European) companies have their factories or import parts from China, it shouldn’t be surprising that this would continue; if anything, the current virus-caused recessaion would make it even less likely for any manufacturing to be created in the US, as many companies are trying to survive. Even those who are doing well, such as Apple, have so much of their manufacturing invested in China that it’s hard to see how that basic structure would change, even if they might bring back an aspect or two of their overall production to the States. Would it ever make sense from a corporate point of view, or even a national one, to abandon all the factories, with their sophisticated technologies, to the Chinese ?

鉴于大多数美国(以及许多欧洲)公司都有自己的工厂或从中国进口零部件，这种情况会继续下去也就不足为奇了; 如果说有什么不同的话，那就是目前由疫情引起的经济衰退会让美国发展制造业的可能性更小，因为许多公司都在努力生存下去。即使是那些做得很好的公司，比如苹果公司，他们在中国投入了大量的制造资金，以至于很难看到这种基本结构会发生什么变化，即使他们可能会把他们整体生产的一两部分带回美国。从企业的角度，甚至从国家的角度来看，放弃所有拥有尖端技术的工厂，让给中国人，是否有意义？

Sean
Nearly all of China's leadership are engineers by training. They believe in science and are not afraid to make difficult decisions. The COVID crisis is the perfect example. There were many missteps in the beginning, especially at the local level. However once Bejing got involved, the actions were decisive. Just look at how Dr. Zhong Nanshan is treated in China vs Dr. Fauci in the US. Huge difference.

几乎所有的中国领导人都是经过培训的工程师。他们相信科学，敢于做出艰难的决定。新冠危机的处理就是一个很好的例子。一开始有许多失误，尤其是在地方一级。然而，一旦北京介入，这些行动就会是决定性的。看看当地人们是如何对待钟南山教授的，而在美国，福西教授是如何被对待的。巨大的差异。

Observer
It must hurt to write a report that's not bashing China, and even more painful for the China haters to read one about China's successful recovery from the pandemic shut-down.
Don't be too upset. The silver lining is that the Fed is printing US dollars like there is no tomorrow and they are used to buy the desirable goods produced with the blood and sweat of Chinese workers. It's a steal. Even better than the TikTok deal in negotiation. So grab a local beer and enjoy the newly purchased sauna, new power tools and new laptop. It's almost free!
One more thing to cheer about: at lease guns and bullets actively used across America are totally Made in the USA. No Chinese import in that department.

写一份不抨击中国的报告肯定很痛苦吧，而对于那些仇华的人来说，读到一份关于中国从大规模疫情中成功复苏的报告更是痛苦。
不要太难过。让人欣慰的是，美联储正在印制美元，就像明天就是末日一样，它们被用来购买用中国工人的血汗生产出来的理想商品。简直是偷窃。甚至比谈判中的TikTok交易更好。所以，喝一杯当地的啤酒，享受新买的桑拿房，新的电动工具和新的笔记本电脑。它几乎是免费的！
还有一件值得高兴的事情：至少在美国各地使用的枪支和子弹完全是美国制造的。那个部门就没有中国进口货了。

Beth
ALL true but Americans will never go for spending a bit more for our collective good.

这些都是事实，但美国人永远不会为了我们的集体利益而多花一点钱。

pb
Trump and his Chumps tried to intimidate China, a country of billions of people at its beck and call. Who did he think he could scare? The Chinese make everything the world needs or wants and if it really wanted to skinny the US, it could do it in a heartbeat by pulling all their exports.

特朗普和他的蠢货们试图恐吓中国，让这个拥有数十亿人口的国家唯命是从。他以为他能吓到谁？中国制造了世界需要或想要的一切，如果中国真的想削弱美国，它可以立刻通过撤走所有出口来做到。

David
Although there is much that is problematic about China and her practices, western businessmen might take note of the successes so given. China took the virus seriously and worked hard to contain the pandemic, and then formulated and enacted a strategy to reboot their economy. Their leaders, unlike our current child-President, seem dedicated to a functional society rather than to chaos, divisive twitter feeds, and temper tantrums; so much for Trump’s highly touted business acumen.
In the end, free markets and disruption may create wealth. But they aren’t a substitute for good government, and will never produce the common sense of being necessary for communities, and countries, to survive and thrive. That takes real work.

尽管中国和她的做法存在很多问题，但西方商人可能会注意到中国所取得的成功。中国认真对待疫情防控，努力遏制疫情蔓延，然后制定并实施了重振经济的战略。他们的领导人，不像我们现在的孩子总统，似乎致力于一个功能性的社会，而不是混乱、分裂性的推特消息和暴躁脾气，特朗普高度吹捧的商业头脑就是这些。
最终，自由市场和混乱可能会创造财富。但它们不能代替好的政府，也永远不会产生“社区和国家生存繁荣”所必需的常识。这真的需要下功夫。

G
As an American living in China. For one thing, all Chinese (including workers obviously) have some level of universal healthcare coverage.
The smart thing it did is to control the Covid with discipline (which American calls it draconian) , even at the expense of its economy — short term pain than long term. Ironically, I feel much safer in China than my own country. What a shame.

我作为一个生活在中国的美国人。首先，所有中国人(显然包括工人)都享有一定程度的全民医保。
中国所做的明智之举是用纪律控制疫情(美国人称之为严厉)，甚至以牺牲其经济为代价——度过短期的痛苦而不是长期的痛苦。讽刺的是，我觉得在中国比在自己的国家安全得多。真遗憾。

Marc
Trump loses. China wins. Putin wins. Game over for America, which surely be a much poorer country in the next few years.

特朗普输了。中国赢了。普京赢了。美国的游戏结束了，在接下来的几年里，美国肯定会成为一个更加贫穷的国家。

Kevin
Seems to me Republicans are the only ones standing between us and taking back manufacturing share from China at the moment.

在我看来，共和党人是目前唯一阻碍我们从中国手中夺回制造业份额的人。

David S.
For better or worse, the Chinese government surely didn’t do seven years of environmental review followed by twelve years of litigation to build the infrastructure.

不管是好是坏，中国肯定不会为了建设基础设施而进行7年的环境审查，和12年的诉讼。

Lily
I am very frustrated with the endless fight between Republicans and Democrats. US has never been invaded or occupied by a foreign country. China in recent history has been invaded, colonized, and looted by western powers and neighbor Japan. If anything good out of it, it is that Chinese reached consensus of working together building the country which is something the American public should learn from China.

我对共和党和民主党之间无休止的斗争感到非常失望。美国从未被外国入侵或占领过。而近代以来，中国遭到西方列强和邻国日本的侵略、殖民和掠夺。如果说有什么好处的话，那就是中国人达成了共同建设国家的共识，这是美国公众应该向中国学习的方面。

Martin
Its easier to get things done in a country where a human life isnt worth anything.

在人的生命毫无价值的国家里，把事情做好是比较容易的。

error404
@Martin The fact that China has gone back to normal so quickly after their successful control over the pandemic may have proved that they do indeed care about their people, at least more than great America does.

中国在成功控制疫情之后非常迅速地恢复了正常，这一事实可能证明他们确实关心自己的人民，至少比伟大的美国更关心。

AKA
When Kissinger opened up to China w/o preconditions, and when Clinton opened up China to WTO w/o any preconditions, the battle was lost.

当基辛格无附加先决条件地向中国开放，当克林顿无附加先决条件地向世贸组织开放中国时，这场战斗就输了。

Objectivist
The assumptions of a few decades ago, when the China engagement was begun, have been proved invalid. China will never respect any of the fundamental underlying concepts of free trade.
China should be isolated, have a 300% levy placed on all exports to the US, and all exports from the US to China stopped, including food.

事实证明，几十年前与中国开始接触时的假设是无效的。中国永远不会尊重任何自由贸易的基本概念。
中国应该被孤立，对所有出口到美国的商品征收300%的关税，所有从美国到中国的出口都应该停止，包括食品。

Wirfegen
@Objectivist Isn't this too subjective? You know that there is a reason why TikTok is in trouble? It is not about a free market. You ''may" believe that the American dominance in the digital market and tech has anything to do about a free market, but in the EU and elsewhere it is no secret how and why certain trade acts and companies, as well as EU-American laws are opposed. As one German minister put it some time ago: China is regarding their economy smarter than the EU. China is in the digital and software area the only real competitor in the world, by now. Meanwhile, Facebook, Amazon, Apple etc. are called in the EU "American parasites" because they only pay taxes in the US. In the eyes of many Europeans, and I'm pretty sure about Asians too, there's not much difference between the US and China, for good reasons.

这是不是太过主观了？你知道为什么TikTok会有麻烦吗？这与自由市场无关。你“可能”会认为，美国在数字市场和科技领域的主导地位与自由市场有关，但在欧盟和其他地方，某些贸易行为和公司以及欧美法律是如何遭到反对，以及为何遭到反对，这已经不是什么秘密了。正如一位德国部长不久前所说的：中国在经济方面比欧盟更聪明。到目前为止，中国在数字和软件领域是世界上唯一真正的竞争对手。与此同时，脸书、亚马逊、苹果等公司在欧盟被称为“美国寄生虫” ，因为它们只在美国纳税。在许多欧洲人的眼中(我很肯定在亚洲人眼中也是)，美国和中国之间没有太大差别，这是有充分理由的。

CM
In fact, Germany has for long time run a healthy trade surplus with China. Japan and South Korea have done the same for many years as well. Why is the US different from those countries? It is too easy to find a scapegoat to blame for our own problems.

事实上，长期以来，德国对中国一直保持着健康的贸易顺差。日本和韩国多年来也是这样。为什么美国与那些国家不同？我们很容易为自己的问题找到一只替罪羊。

AKA
China pretty much looks like US after the Second World War; the determination to win the World. It is going to be China's century, unless robots do same jobs in the US.

中国看起来很像二战后的美国，有赢得世界的决心。除非在美国机器人能完成同样的工作，否则中国的世纪即将到来。