[2025-11-09]Reddit评论区：印度在世界空军排名中超过中国，位居第三

In a major boost to India’s defence credentials, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has officially overtaken China to become the world’s third most powerful air force, according to the latest World Directory of Modern Military Aircraft (WDMMA) rankings. The WDMMA’s TruVal Rating — which evaluates combat capability, training, logistics, and modernization — placed India at 69.4, significantly ahead of China’s 58.1. The IAF, with around 1,716 aircraft sourced from both global and indigenous programs like the Tejas light combat aircraft, reflects India’s growing strategic autonomy and balance between partnerships and self-reliance. The rankings also highlight China’s deficiencies in training and combat coordination, despite its technological leaps. The operational effectiveness of India's air force was notably demonstrated during Operation Sindoor, a precision strike campaign following a terror attack in Jammu and Kashmir, showcasing India’s ability to project air power beyond borders. While the United States and Russia continue to dominate the top two spots, India’s leap signals a new era in Asian air dominance.

根据最新的《世界现代军用飞机名录》（WDMMA）排名，印度空军正式超越中国，成为世界第三强大的空军，这对印度的国防实力是一个重大提升。WDMMA的TruVal评级——评估作战能力、训练、后勤和现代化水平——给印度打出了69.4分，远高于中国的58.1分。印度空军拥有大约1716架飞机，既有全球采购的机型，也有像“光辉”轻型战斗机这样的国产项目，体现了印度在战略自主性以及伙伴合作与自力更生之间的平衡。
排名还指出，尽管中国在技术上取得了巨大进步，但其在训练和作战协调方面仍有不足。印度空军的作战效能在“辛杜尔行动”中得到了充分体现。这次行动是在查谟和克什米尔发生恐怖袭击后展开的一场精确打击行动，展示了印度将空中力量投射到国境之外的能力。尽管美国和俄罗斯依然占据前两名，但印度的跃升标志着亚洲空中主导权进入了一个新时代。



HodgenH
China: As long as India is happy.

中国：只要印度开心就好。

Centeredrightbhakt05
None of the matrices used by the author makes sense. This is just cooked up stuff to get attention. This is why these global rankings don't have any real on ground significance.

作者使用的所有数据都毫无意义。这些都是编出来吸引眼球的。这也是为什么这些全球排名在现实中根本没有什么意义。

jetsetvf -> Centeredrightbhakt05
I would say that the methodology and scoring by GFP tends be both transparent and fairly accurate. But this WDMMA organization that Ive never heard of until now seems to really give India some esoteric credit that my non-Hindu brain fails to appreciate.

我认为GFP的评法和评分通常既透明又相当准确。但这个我之前从未听说过的WDMMA组织，似乎对印度给予了一些我这个非印度教徒难以理解的神秘加分。

aloudasian -> jetsetvf
The only way you could even argue the point would be if you put overwhelming weight on force experience. IAF’s had more real engagements compared to PLAAF but that’s literally it, they’re miles behind in tech and numbers, and are even more reliant on foreign suppliers than China. Hell if that’s your angle you’d have to put the Israelis ahead of the Indians too.

唯一能支持这个观点的论据，就是把实战经验看得极其重要。印度空军的确比中国空军经历了更多真实交战，但仅此而已，无论在技术还是数量上，他们都远远落后，而且在对外国供应商的依赖程度上甚至比中国还严重。要是按这逻辑，那以色列空军也得排在印度前面了。

Jabbathehutman -> aloudasian
Yeah, it doesn’t make sense. It’s like comparing cavalry with horses and tons of experience vs tanks with little experience. At some point, the tech is going to hold more sway and India is not there yet with the tech as we clearly saw against Pakistan earlier this year.

是啊，这说不通。这就像拿拥有丰富经验的骑兵和马去跟缺乏经验的坦克比。在某个阶段，科技会占据更大优势，而印度在科技方面还没达到那个水平，这一点我们今年早些时候在对阵巴基斯坦时已经看得很清楚了。

TenshouYoku -> aloudasian
By their metric Pakistan has to be ahead of the IAF for them kicking the Indian's ass…

按他们的标准，巴基斯坦得领先印度空军，毕竟他们把印度人打得屁滚尿流…

thighmaster69 -> aloudasian
Lmfao they have experience... in getting whooped by Chinese planes.

笑死了，他们确实有经验... 就是被中国的飞机揍。

Centeredrightbhakt05 -> jetsetvf
Any brain with a IQ above room temperature will fail to appreciate. Don't have to bring religion into it.

任何智商高于室温的人都欣赏不来。没必要扯上宗教。

CyberOvitron -> Centeredrightbhakt05
He's writing fiction. It's supposed not to make sense.

他是在写小说，本来就不需要讲逻辑。

furyofSB
Yes, Chinese airforce is clearly inferior to the Indian one. This is a Well known fact. Love from Beijing!

是的，中国空军明显比印度空军逊色。这是众所周知的事实。来自北京的爱！

GetOutOfTheWhey
This assessment rings extremely hollow given recent events.
But regardless, these rankings and labels do matter. It means now officially India is perceived as more of a regional power/threat than China.
If the CCP is smart, they should shut up aim to be lower on the rankings. Aim for 8th place.

鉴于最近发生的事情，这种评价显得非常空洞。
但无论如何，这些排名和标签确实很重要。这意味着现在印度在官方层面上被视为比中国更有地区影响力/威胁。
如果中共聪明的话，就应该闭嘴，争取在排名上更靠后一点。争取第八名就好。

Academic-Can-7466 -> GetOutOfTheWhey
If the CCP is smart, they should pay to be listed at 18th and then spam this list all over the internet.

如果中共聪明的话，他们应该花钱把自己排到第18位，然后在全网疯狂转发这个榜单。

KerbodynamicX -> Academic-Can-7466
"Appear weak when strong"
-Art of war or something

“强而示弱”——《孙子兵法》之类的

GetOutOfTheWhey -> KerbodynamicX
"Do nothing, win"
- art of war in gen z era

“什么都不做，躺赢”——Z世代的《孙子兵法》

Ulyks -> KerbodynamicX
All joking aside, it's a recipe for conflict.
If a belligerent country thinks an adversary is weak, they will often get into a long war they would never have even started if they had known how bad it would go.
Examples are plenty. The Russian invasion of Ukraine, the US invasion of Vietnam, the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union...

玩笑归玩笑，这就是冲突的根源所在。
如果一个好战的国家认为对手很弱，他们往往会陷入一场本来根本不会发动的持久战争，只因为他们低估了战争的艰难程度。这样的例子有很多。比如俄罗斯入侵乌克兰、美国入侵越南、苏联入侵阿富汗、纳粹德国入侵苏联…

LaoNerd -> Ulyks
If the Vietnam War is US invasion of Vietnam then that makes the Korean War the US invasion of Korea?

如果说越南战争是美国入侵越南，那朝鲜战争是不是就成了美国入侵朝鲜？

Ulyks -> LaoNerd
Good question. Not really related to the thread but I'll bite.
The two wars are very similar.
A southern half of the country invaded by a communist northern half with the US fighting communism.
There are some important differences though.
The conflict in Vietnam started as a fight for independence from the French colonizers. Ho Chi Minh wasn't a communist at first. The US had no business fighting in Vietnam and the way they got involved was with a false flag incident.
So yes I call it the US invasion of Vietnam.
This is different from Korea. The Korea's were at peace and independent and when the north invaded, the South requested the aid of the UN and the US was just one of the countries (but obviously the main one) aiding South Korea.
So not an invasion.

好问题。虽然和这个话题关系不大，但我还是想说说。
这两场战争非常相似：南方被共产主义的北方入侵，而美国当时在对抗共产主义。
不过也有一些重要的区别。越南的冲突一开始是为了摆脱法国殖民者而进行的独立斗争。胡志明最初并不是共产主义者。美国根本没必要插手越南，而他们介入的方式还是通过一个伪造的事件。
所以我称之为美国入侵越南。
这和朝鲜战争不同。朝鲜半岛本来是和平独立的，当北方入侵时，南方请求联合国援助，美国只是其中一个（当然是最主要的）帮助韩国的国家。
所以这不算是入侵。

qDUDULUp -> Ulyks
Small correction. The north korean regime is horrible but there were countless conflicts between north and south before 1951. Both sides were preparing for a war.

小小更正一下。朝鲜政权确实很糟糕，但在1951年之前，南北双方之间已经发生了无数次冲突。双方当时都在为战争做准备。

TenshouYoku -> Ulyks
Except in this case China significantly overpowers the Indians, the Indians don't have the tyranny of distance the Vietnam war had, and China doesn't have the intention to rule over India (see 1962) unlike Soviet Union and the Afghans.
If there is a thing the current Chinese knows best it's to not fight a prolonged war.

但这次情况不同，中国军力明显强于印度，印度没有越南战争那样的地理隔阂问题，而中国也无意像苏联对阿富汗那样统治印度（参考1962年战争）。
如今中国人最深刻的认知，就是避免陷入持久战泥潭。

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> TenshouYoku
PLA is much stronger than Indian armed forces overall but if you look at the border areas and border with India PLA lacks the egde. Infact IAF has the edge against PLAAF as they can conduct much longer operations than PLAAF due to geography.
In Indian Ocean too PLA is a much stronger navy but Indian Navy has the edge due to geography

解放军整体实力远强于印度军队，但如果看中印边境地区，解放军并没有优势。事实上，由于地理原因，印度空军在与中国空军的对抗中占据优势，因为他们可以进行更长时间的作战行动。
在印度洋，虽然解放军的海军实力更强，但由于地理优势，印度海军反而占有优势。

TenshouYoku -> Original-Alfalfa4406
At some point the technological differences are so large "conduct longer operations" mean very little. One side literally has stealth fighters against one that had none and relies almost entirely on exports. Theoretically Iraq has home advantage against the USA who had a massive operation disadvantage in logistics and look at how it went.

当技术差距大到一定程度时，“进行更长时间的作战”几乎毫无意义。一方拥有隐形战斗机，而另一方则完全没有，只能几乎完全依赖进口。理论上，伊拉克对美国有主场优势，而美国在后勤方面有巨大的作战劣势，但看看最后结果是怎样的。

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> TenshouYoku
True but we are not at that point yet.

没错，但我们还没到那个地步。

Ulyks -> TenshouYoku
Perhaps, who knows what the future will bring.
But suppose Taiwan declares independence and the US coaches India to join a coalition to defend Taiwan.
If they underestimate the Chinese air force, India and the US could get into a very destructive conflict with no clear ending.
China will probably keep on trying to annex Taiwan and the US and whatever coalition they can drum up will probably continue to keep on defending or liberating Taiwan.
It could be a conflict that lasts decades. With many side battlefields, including the Indian Chinese border.

也许吧，谁知道未来会发生什么。
但假设台湾宣布独立，美国又鼓动印度加入协防台湾的联盟。
如果他们低估了中国空军，印度和美国可能会陷入一场没有明确结局的极具破坏性的冲突中。
中国很可能会继续尝试吞并台湾，而美国及其能够拉拢的任何联盟成员可能会持续防守或解放台湾。
这可能会成为一场持续数十年的冲突，并且有许多附带的战场，包括中印边境。

sentrypetal -> Ulyks
With 50% tariffs not sure that US and India are staunch friends. At best uneasy partners at this juncture.

征收50%的关税，不确定美国和印度是不是坚定的盟友。现在充其量也只是关系不太稳固的合作伙伴。

Ulyks -> sentrypetal
True, I have no idea why Trump and his cronies hate India so much. India has higher tariffs than China at the moment...might change at any time.

没错，我也不明白为什么特朗普和他的亲信这么讨厌印度。现在印度的关税比中国还高…不过随时可能会变化。

blorg -> Ulyks
US coaches India to join a coalition to defend Taiwan
This is very unlikely. India is not a US ally while the US is militarily allied with India's #1 enemy (Pakistan).

“美国鼓动印度加入协防台湾的联盟”
这非常不可能。印度不是美国的盟友，而美国却与印度的头号敌人（巴基斯坦）有军事同盟关系。

LuckEcstatic4500 -> Ulyks
You're missing the context, Sun Tzu's war manual is for nepo generals in the Warring states period on how to fight battles not a geopolitics guide. The whole point of appearing weak when you're strong is to bait the enemy into battle so that you can ambush them and destroy their army with minimal losses.

你忽略了背景，孙子的兵法是写给战国时期那些靠裙带关系上位的将军们，教他们如何打仗的，不是一本地缘政治指南。“强而示弱”其实是为了引诱敌人来进攻，这样就能设伏奇袭，用最小的损失歼灭敌军，这才是重点。

Ulyks -> LuckEcstatic4500
Ah ok, tactically yes appearing weak while being strong is a good battle tactic. But I think he also wrote the opposite, appearing strong while being weak.
It's part of the creating confusion strategy.
But strategically, appearing weak while being strong is not how you win a war...it just invites more armies to attack you.

啊，好吧，从战术上来说，的确，“强而示弱”是一种很好的作战策略。但我记得孙子也写过相反的“以弱示强”。
这属于制造混乱的策略之一。
但从战略上来看，强而示弱并不是赢得战争的方法… 这只会招来更多的军队来攻击你。

Dry_Meringue_8016 -> Ulyks
Russia would've invaded even if it had known how tough Ukraine would turn out to be. The alternative is to have NATO in Ukraine pointing missiles at Moscow.

即使俄罗斯早知道乌克兰会如此顽强，它也还是会发动入侵。否则，替代选择就是让北约进入乌克兰，把导弹对准莫斯科。

Academic-Can-7466 -> Dry_Meringue_8016
Well, preventing NATO missiles from being deployed in Ukraine is one of the main reasons Russia invaded the country.
Even if Russia loses this war, they may come back 20 years later, just like the Germans did after 1918.

阻止北约导弹部署到乌克兰是俄罗斯入侵该国的主要原因之一。
即使俄罗斯在这场战争中失败了，他们也可能在20年后卷土重来，就像德国人在1918年之后所做的那样。

jetsetvf -> GetOutOfTheWhey
Literally nobody and I mean NOBODY perceives India as more of a regional power or threat than China, least of all the US/West, officially or unofficially. If anything this reeks of the performative achievement ritual that permeates Indian culture.

真的没有人，我是说绝对没有人认为印度比中国更有地区影响力或威胁性，尤其是美国/西方国家，无论是官方还是非官方层面。如果非要说的话，这更像是印度文化中那种表演式成就感的体现。

xmod3563 -> jetsetvf
Ask Pakistan.

问问巴基斯坦。

jetsetvf -> xmod3563
I don't believe either Pakistan or India are afraid of each other or threatened by each other on an existential level, they both just hate each other.

我认为巴基斯坦和印度都不怕对方，也没有受到对方生存层面的威胁，他们只是互相厌恶。

Snoo57554 -> GetOutOfTheWhey
Agreed. Being an over achiever, especially in the context of geopolitics, is like painting a red circle up your ass. Moreso in a global order that is transitioning into a multipolar order.

同意。尤其在地缘政治的背景下，表现得过于出众就像在自己屁股上画了个红圈。在全球秩序正向多极化转变的当下，更是如此。

Firm-Investigator18
Great, so could America leave China alone and go bother India now?

很好，那美国能不能放过中国，去烦印度呢？

Centeredrightbhakt05 -> Firm-Investigator18
Do you think they are not ? Every time India tests a missile we see two uninvited guests.

你觉得他们没有吗？每次印度试射导弹时，我们都会看到两个不速之客。

VegetableBird99 -> Centeredrightbhakt05
Which two?

哪两个？

Centeredrightbhakt05 -> VegetableBird99
US and China.

美国和中国。

Gromchy
It's like saying China has the biggest navy in the world by metric tonnes.

这就像说中国按吨位计算拥有世界上最大的海军一样。

Possible-Window-7597 -> Gromchy
China has never made such a statement. China has only stated that "China is a developing country."

中国从未发表过这样的声明。中国只表示过“中国是一个发展中国家。”

Gromchy -> Possible-Window-7597
You misread my comment.

你误读了我的评论。

GetOutOfTheWhey -> Gromchy
Yeah he did misread it.
China has never made the claim they have the largest or biggest navy in the world.
Only American think tanks have said that.
China instead has said that they have a modern navy.

是的，他确实理解错了。
中国从未宣称自己拥有世界上最大或最强大的海军。
只有美国的智库这么说过。
中国只是说他们拥有一支现代化的海军。

ELVEVERX -> Possible-Window-7597
They actually dropped that status this year

他们今年其实已经取消了那个身份。

Every_West_3890 -> Gromchy
that includes cargo ship

那包括货船。

CreepyConspiracyCat
This just in; India also leapfrogs China as the world’s biggest economy 😱😱😱

最新消息：印度也已经超越中国，成为世界最大经济体了😱😱😱

StrikingGarlic2773 -> CreepyConspiracyCat
Only undisputed fact:
India is the most populated country in the world.

唯一无可争议的事实是：印度是世界上人口最多的国家。

MD_Yoro
The operational effectiveness of India's air force was notably demonstrated during Operation Sindoor, a series of precision strikes carried out in May on infrastructure in Pakistan and Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir.
Didn’t India have 2 of its advanced Rafales jets shot down by Pakistani owned J-10?
Funny how Newsweek glaze over that part of the operation.
Anyway, cool story bro

“印度空军的作战效能在辛杜尔行动中得到了明显体现，这是一系列于五月对巴基斯坦及巴控克什米尔基础设施进行的精确打击行动”
印度不是有两架先进的阵风战机被巴基斯坦的歼-10击落了吗？
有趣的是，《新闻周刊》对行动中的这一部分只字未提。
总之，编得不错嘛兄弟。

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> MD_Yoro
One Rafale I believ. Also Maybe Because after Day 1 when they were told not to engage military targets their Air Force did completely dominate Pakistani Airspace. We saw a lot of satellite images of the damage on Pakistani side

我记得是一架阵风战机。另外，可能是因为在第一天之后，他们被告知不要攻击军事目标，他们的空军确实完全掌控了巴基斯坦的领空。我们看到了很多关于巴基斯坦一侧受损情况的卫星图片。

MD_Yoro -> Original-Alfalfa4406
Right, cause shooting missiles from inside your country is air combat?
Even when the air forces were involved, everyone was fighting in their respective countries shooting missiles outside of visual range thus outside of SAM and AA counter attacks.

对啊，难道在自己国家境内发射导弹就算是空战吗？
即使空军参与了，大家也都是在各自国家境内作战，发射超视距导弹，这样就不会受到防空导弹和防空炮的反击。

CryptoDeepDive
This has to be a joke. India could not even dominate Pakistan which was using J10s...

这一定是在开玩笑吧。印度连装备J10的巴基斯坦都没能占上风…

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> CryptoDeepDive
Because they did not intend to in the initial attack?
They were told to not engage military targets. If you look at after Day 1 they did dominate Pakistani airspace with impunity. However this ranking looks fishy for sure

因为他们在最初的攻击中并没有这个意图吧？他们被告知不要攻击军事目标。如果你看看第一天之后，他们确实可以毫无阻碍地掌控巴基斯坦领空。不过这个排名看起来确实有点可疑。

EugeneNicoNicoNii
*The operational effectiveness of India's air force was notably demonstrated during Operation Sindoor
LMAO I CAN'T EVEN

“印度空军的作战效能在辛杜尔行动中得到了明显体现”
笑死我了，我真绷不住了。

ExpertExploit
India's domestic production is horrible. Their airforce is just mixed and matched western equipment.

印度的本国生产能力很糟糕，他们的空军装备只是拼凑的西方设备。

ravenhawk10
someone needs to farm views to hit their KPIs

有人需要刷浏览量来完成他们的KPI。

Halfmoonhero
If there is one country on Reddit that is more nationalism obsessed than China it’s India. Waiting to see some comments over on the India threads lol.

如果说在Reddit上有一个比中国更痴迷民族主义的国家，那就是印度。等着去印度板块看看评论，哈哈。

AwarenessNo4986
Which ranking???😂😂

哪里的排名？？？😂😂

PurpleMclaren
PL-15 disagrees

PL-15不同意这排名。

Odd_Highlight_8822
India overtakes China… in the number of times they checked if they overtook China

印度在搜索“自己是否超越中国”的次数上… 超越了中国。

Frosty-Principle2260
What a joke

真是个笑话。

Illustrious-Cat7212
😂 seriously? They got pasted by Pakistan using last gen Chinese fighters.

😂 真的假的？他们被巴基斯坦用上代中国战机打得屁滚尿流。

Shoddy-You-1245 -> Illustrious-Cat7212
Fix: last last gen.

更正：上上代的。

OneHeronWillie
Didn't Pakistan just win the air war in their last conflict?

巴基斯坦在上一次冲突中不是刚刚赢得了空战吗？

enersto
I suggest India shoots down some Chinese aircrafts to climb this rank to the top 1, rather than gotten shot down aircrafts but climbing up this kind of rank.

我建议印度击落几架中国飞机，这样才能登上榜首，而不是自己的飞机都被击落了，却还在提升这种排名。

ConsequenceExpress39
lmao, that really makes my day

哈哈，这真的让我一天心情都变好了。

PierreDetecto
Didnt they lose an air battle to Pakistan like 3 months ago

他们不是在大约三个月前输给巴基斯坦一场空战了吗？

Steamdecker
I chuckled. No words needed.

我笑了，无需多言。

No-Muscle-3318
Is that a headline or a quote from a pre May indian movie?
They seem much humble now.

那是标题还是5月以前印度电影里的台词？
他们现在好像谦虚多了。

commanche_00
Hahahaha. Who is this clown author

哈哈哈哈，这个小丑作者是谁啊？

JoJoeyJoJo
India most experienced in the world at losing fighters, China can't compete!

印度在战机损失方面是世界上最有经验的，中国根本比不了！

HourProfessional1239 -> JoJoeyJoJo
Ya ya china also gave air defence to pakistan but that couldn't protect even their air base .

是啊是啊，中国也给了巴基斯坦防空系统，但连他们的空军基地都保护不了。

JoJoeyJoJo -> HourProfessional1239
OK, have a participation trophy for hitting their airbase, no one cares.

行吧，打了他们的空军基地，颁个参与奖，没人关心。

HourProfessional1239 -> JoJoeyJoJo
There is trophy for china what defective piece gave to pakistan and at what prize bcz they are beggars , atleast provide them satellite image too that can help atleast the jets they shot rather than social media clips🙃

卖给巴基斯坦有缺陷的东西，要颁给中国奖杯吗？以什么价格给的，毕竟他们是乞丐，至少也给他们提供点卫星图像吧，这样至少能帮他们证明击落了战机，而不是只靠社交媒体的视频片段。🙃

JoJoeyJoJo -> HourProfessional1239
It's amazing India is so bad at this, you got handed an absolutely impenetrable fortress of a nation - surrounded by massive oceans or the tallest, most impassible mountains in the world, except for the like 40ft Khyber Pass.
Yet you got invaded and conquered by basically every army since 1,500 BC. Absolute world-record historic losing streak despite your massive advantages in defense and manpower.
All it has done is develop this national strain of hyper-copium where getting beaten up and thrown in the shit-pit repeatedly is actually a secret masterplan that means you've got the enemy exactly where you want them.

印度在这方面真是惊人的差。你们明明拥有一个绝对坚不可摧的堡垒般的国家，周围都是辽阔的海洋，或者世界上最高、最难逾越的山脉，唯一的缺口也就40英尺宽的开伯尔山口。
可自公元前1500年以来，几乎每一支军队都能入侵并征服你们。尽管在防御和人力上有巨大优势，结果却创下了世界历史上最长的连败纪录。
这一切只让印度形成了一种全国性的超级自我安慰心态，总觉得一遍遍挨打、被扔进粪坑其实是某种秘密的绝妙计划，已经把敌人引到了你们的圈套。

HourProfessional1239 -> JoJoeyJoJo
I don't need to go to the history yes you are right we were colonised for a very long period just because of some leftist ideology, but today we are on a path of growth in terms of everything . Ik your ego is quite fragile instead of answering what I asked you go to past and let me tell past is not good for china as well mao fights for a long time to make china .

我不需要去翻历史，你说得对，我们曾经被殖民统治了很长一段时间，那只是因为一些左派意识形态。但今天，在各方面我们都在走上发展的道路。我知道你的自尊心很脆弱，没回答我问你的问题，反而一直提过去。让我告诉你，中国的过去也不怎么样，毛泽东也是奋斗了很久，才建立了中国。

HatProfessional6357 -> HourProfessional1239
What a clown lol. Are you sure you are not the one with the fragile ego?

真是个小丑，哈哈。你确定不是你自己玻璃心吗？

USAChineseguy
I recalled the Manchu empire used to have higher Navy ranking before the actual war with the Japanese Empire; then, a war broke out and the Japanese kicked the manchu’s butt.

我记得满清帝国在与日本帝国开战前，曾经拥有更高的海军排名；后来战争爆发，日本人把满清打得落花流水。

MD_Yoro -> USAChineseguy
Who was doing rankings back in late 1800’s???

19世纪末谁在做排名？？

tengo_harambe -> MD_Yoro
Would be funny if it was also Newsweek

如果那也是《新闻周刊》的话就更好笑了。

AdCool1638 -> USAChineseguy
That is already bullshit, in 1895 the IJN had newer capital ships, just not quite the tonnage superiority, in no way was Qing navy stronger than the IJN back then

完全是胡说八道，1895年时日本海军已经拥有更新的主力舰，只是吨位上没有绝对优势，清朝海军当时完全不如日本海军。

VetteMiata -> USAChineseguy
The Qing navy was swimming in corruption like when gunpowder was replaced with sand

清朝海军腐败成风，甚至出现用沙子代替火药的情况。

panda1491
This must be a joke. Wasn’t their planes that was shoot down in dog fights with Pakistan???

这一定是在开玩笑吧。他们的飞机不是在与巴基斯坦的空战中被击落了吗？？

RaeseneAndu -> panda1491
According to the article,
"The operational effectiveness of India's air force was notably demonstrated during Operation Sindoor"

根据文章“印度空军的作战效能在辛杜尔行动中得到了充分展示”

ParagonRenegade -> RaeseneAndu
Honestly so funny.

说真的，太搞笑了。

Illustrious-Cat7212 -> RaeseneAndu
Ah so it's a list by Indians or paid for by them. The Indians also claimed to have taken over Pakistani cities during operation sindoor. They eat up this kind of fiction.

啊，所以这是印度人制作的榜单，或者是他们花钱买的。印度人还声称在辛杜尔行动期间占领了巴基斯坦的城市。他们就喜欢这种虚构的事情。

DisastrousFox6467 -> RaeseneAndu
The same operation where 3 of their Rafales got smoked out of the sky from 200 km away and they cope and say since they bombed a runway. 😂

就是那次行动，他们的3架阵风战斗机在200公里外被击落了，他们还自我安慰说，因为对方炸了跑道。😂

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> DisastrousFox6467
One rafale and if you bothered looking in details they were told by their incompetent government to not engage Pakistani military during Day 1.
If you look at Day 2 onwards they did completely dominate Pakistani airspace and attacked all their strategic bases with Pakistani air defence completely overwhelmed

是一架阵风战斗机，如果你仔细看的话，他们在第一天其实是被他们无能的政府命令不得与巴基斯坦军方交战。
如果你看看第二天及之后的情况，他们完全掌控了巴基斯坦的领空，并且攻击了所有巴基斯坦的战略基地，巴基斯坦的防空系统完全招架不住。

InsufferableMollusk
China’s Air Force is largely untested, but I highly doubt anyone would consider it below India’s in any sensible ranking.

中国空军虽然大多未经过实战考验，但我很怀疑有谁会在任何靠谱的排名中认为它比印度空军差。

Modulus3360 -> InsufferableMollusk
China air force is untested but it's doctrine and tactics are clearly tested deployed by Pakistan Air Force.. From link 17, JF-17, J-10C and PL-15 missiles are all validated.. This is a whole package of Chinese system , Chinese training and Chinese doctrine..

中国空军虽然未经过实战考验，但它的作战理念和战术已经在巴基斯坦空军中得到了检验。从Link 17、JF-17、歼-10C到PL-15导弹，这些全都经过了验证。这是一套完整的中国体系，包括中国的训练和中国的作战理念…

AdCool1638 -> InsufferableMollusk
PLAAF has the world's 2nd largest 5th Gen fighter fleet, arguably the largest 4th gen fighter fleet, the world's largest AWACS fleet, substantial EW and ELINT capability on par with the US
India? some Su-30MKI strapped together with useless MiG-21s and LCAs, only capable fighters are the Rafales that got their butt kicked by F-16s and J-10Cs, LMAO

中国空军拥有世界第二大的五代机机队，可以说拥有世界最大的四代机机队、世界最大的预警机机队、堪比美国的强大电子战和电子侦察能力。
印度呢？就一些苏-30MKI配上没用的米格-21和LCA，唯一能打的只有阵风战机，结果还被F-16和歼-10C打得满头包，哈哈。

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> AdCool1638
Keep believing that lmao

继续相信吧，哈哈。

CPA-Entre -> Original-Alfalfa4406
Because it's a fact lmao. India got their ass kicked by Pakistan

毕竟这是事实嘛，笑死了。印度被巴基斯坦打得很惨。

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> CPA-Entre
Hmmm nope but okay. You do you

嗯…不是这样，但随你吧。你开心就好。

CPA-Entre -> Original-Alfalfa4406
Lol India really got the highest grade copium. Amazing really.

哈哈，印度人真是嗑了顶级精神鸦片啊。绝了。

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> CPA-Entre
Not Indian but ok. Like I said you do you

我不是印度人，不过没关系。就像我说的，随你吧。

CPA-Entre -> Original-Alfalfa4406
Indians pretending to not be Indian online. Pretty on brand.

印度人在网上假装自己不是印度人，挺符合他们的风格的。

AdCool1638 -> Original-Alfalfa4406
Keep believing that your rafales are going to stand a chance against J-20As lmao

继续相信你们的阵风战机能对抗歼-20A吧，笑死我了。

Original-Alfalfa4406 -> CPA-Entre
I’ll tell you more I am a Canadian. Do you have no other job than to troll and extend a conversation that no one is interested in?
Get a job budd

我再告诉你一点，我是加拿大人。你除了在这里喷人、把没人感兴趣的话题越扯越长之外，就没别的事干了吗？
找份正经工作吧，哥们。

TheUltimateCatArmy -> Original-Alfalfa4406
lol active in r/indiaspeaks
So you’re glazing India and you can’t be assed to live there 🤣🤣🤣

哈哈，那你在“印度之声”板块挺活跃啊。
所以你这么吹印度，却懒得住在那里。🤣🤣🤣

CPA-Entre -> Original-Alfalfa4406
No, you are not. You have multiple accounts. I bet you pull the same shit on Twitter too. So many people have caught on your gambit lmao.


不，你不是加拿大人。你有好几个账号。我敢打赌你在推特上也玩这一套。已经有很多人看穿你的把戏了，搞笑。
（扒出了这ID的历史评论：兄弟，认为印度教徒不吃牛肉的这种观念，其实是北印度的产物和文化。在印度其他地区和海外，印度教徒是吃牛肉的。印地语地区的人应该停止把自己的意志强加给别人，也该多了解一下实际情况。补充一下，我是来自印地语地区的。）


AdventurousRip8386 -> CPA-Entre
Im quite curious to know, how you determined that?
I mean maybe media at my end was misguiding.
So just curious to understand where you gathered your data from and how is your data accurate.

我很好奇你是怎么得出这个结论的？
我的意思是，也许我这边的媒体在误导人。
所以我只是想了解一下你是从哪里收集的数据，以及你的数据有多准确。

CPA-Entre -> AdventurousRip8386
It's all over Google from multiple reputable sources. Just as long as you don't look at Indian propaganda sources, you'll be fine

谷歌上有很多来自多个权威来源的信息。只要你别看印度的宣传性消息就没问题。

AdventurousRip8386 -> CPA-Entre
Can you just site a few reputable sources?

你能引用几个权威来源吗？

CPA-Entre -> AdventurousRip8386
www.google.com bro. Have at it.

兄弟，自己去谷歌查查吧。

AdventurousRip8386 -> CPA-Entre
Lol it was a genuine question,
But guess you are a sarcastic dik,
I hope you do understand, google gives you data based on your location.

哈哈，这是真心提问的，但看来你就是个爱挖苦人的混蛋。
希望你明白，谷歌给你的数据是基于你的位置的。

CPA-Entre -> AdventurousRip8386
So is that why millions of Indians are in denial lol

所以这就是为什么数百万印度人都在否认吗，哈哈。

taznado
Newsweek was reputed like Time last I heard. But in any case comparing national military strengths is like crabs in a bucket. Before you know the planet's going to turn to dust.

我记得《新闻周刊》以前和《时代周刊》一样有名。不过不管怎样，比较各国军事实力就像桶里的螃蟹一样。在你搞清楚之前，地球就已经变成尘埃了。

Just_George572
The ‘global defence ranking’ websites are usually inherently inept at actually showing countries as being powerful or not. Hell, according to them Germany (military size 62k personnel) is 5 places above Ukraine (880-980k personnel)

这些“全球国防排名”网站通常根本无法准确反映一个国家是否强大。说得夸张点，根据他们的排名，德国（军队规模6.2万人）竟然比乌克兰（88万到98万人）高出5位。

Particular_Jury_622
Just remember, Russia still ranks 2nd, even after their ongoing abysmal performance in Ukraine. I don't think these rankings are very accurate...

要记住，俄罗斯即使在乌克兰的糟糕表现后，排名还是第二。我觉得这些排名并不太准…

MD_Yoro -> Particular_Jury_622
Russia didn’t really deploy their air force because their doctrine avoided taking risks with the planes.
It’s not that Russian air forces couldn’t defeat the Ukrainian, but that they didn’t commit to taking out all of Ukraine’s anti-air defenses.
In an actual air attack, Ukraine will lose, but with AA support that changed

俄罗斯并没有真正部署他们的空军，因为他们的作战原则是避免让飞机冒险。
并不是说俄罗斯空军无法击败乌克兰，而是他们没有下决心消灭乌克兰所有的防空系统。
如果进行真正的空袭，乌克兰会输，但有了防空支援，局势就改变了。

Beginning-Foot-9525 -> MD_Yoro
What bullshit is this?
3 years and the russians are now losing expensive Infrastructure.

胡扯什么？
打了三年，现在俄罗斯人开始损失昂贵的基础设施了。

MD_Yoro -> Beginning-Foot-9525
They didn’t deploy their Air Force because they had a doctrine of air defense instead of offense like NATO and U.S. doctrine as such they were risk averse from losing planes in taking down SAM and AA sites.
Moreover, drones have changed how AA defense needs to be done as previously was done.
All the infrastructure losses that Russia incurred were from suicide drones, not bombards from Ukrainian fighters or bombers.
Russia couldn’t control Ukrainian air space due to poor planning and difference in doctrine, not due to poor equipment or skill.

他们没有出动空军，是因为他们采取的是防空作战理念而不是像北约和美国那样的进攻作战理念，所以他们在摧毁防空导弹和防空炮阵地时，不愿冒失去飞机的风险。
此外，无人机已经改变了防空作战的方式，不再像以前那样。
俄罗斯遭受的所有基础设施损失都来自自杀式无人机，而不是乌克兰战斗机或轰炸机的轰炸。
俄罗斯无法控制乌克兰领空，是因为计划不周和作战理念的不同，而不是因为装备或技术差。

AdCool1638 -> MD_Yoro
you do realize that means the Russian air force is incredibly incompetent at performing SEAD, a basic task of air power, right?

你明白这意味着俄罗斯空军在执行压制敌方防空（SEAD）这一空中作战的基本任务时极其无能吧？

MD_Yoro -> AdCool1638
I do know because that’s not how their doctrine was planned.
However we are comparing fire power to fire power and Russian Air Force will defeat a Ukrainian Air Force in combat.

我知道，因为他们的作战理念本来就不是那样制定的。不过我们现在是在比较火力，在战斗中，俄罗斯空军会击败乌克兰空军。

Listen2Wolff
The rankings from wdmma. They don't provide much clarification on how their equation works.

这是wdmma的排名。他们没有详细说明他们的计算方式是怎样的。

cacamilis22
My dick is bigger than yours.
Such a sad world we live in

我的牛子比你大。
我们生活的世界真可悲。

ObiMeowKatnobi
So where is Indian air tech tree in war thunder.

那《战争雷霆》里的印度空军科技树在哪里呢？

IndividualSociety567
Chinese Navy and army will be ahead though for a while unless India makes some major changes and gets a lot richer

中国的海军和陆军在一段时间内会领先，除非印度进行重大改革并变得更富有。

kpopsns28
PLAAF doesn't care about this opinion piece

中国空军并不在乎这篇评论文章。

ScreamOfVengeance
Newsweek, Fortune. Used to be respected journalism and is now utter crap.

《新闻周刊》和《财富》曾经是受人尊敬的新闻媒体，现在完全是垃圾。

lombwolf
Says the country that couldn’t beat Chinese aircraft

说这话的是那个连中国飞机都打不过的国家。

Defiant_News_737
Any country which doesn’t manufacture all the aircraft in its fleet shouldn’t be even considered for ranking.

任何一个没有自主制造其机队中所有飞机的国家，甚至都不应该被纳入排名考虑。

CyberBerserk
This doesn’t mean shit, our (iaf) airforce is less capable than pakistan

这没什么用，我们（印度空军）的能力还不如巴基斯坦。

[Deleted] -> CyberBerserk
Paki cunt masquerading as indian, get a life scum

冒充印度人的巴基斯坦婊子，去找点事做吧，垃圾。

CPA-Entre -> [Deleted]
Nah bro, only Indians pretend to be other nationalities online. People talk about Russian, Chinese, Pakistani bots. I think there are a lot more Indian bots, actually they might not even be bots. They are just incels with too much time on their hand, so they go out inciting hate against other groups


不，兄弟，只有印度人才会在网上假装成其他国籍。人们都在讨论俄罗斯、中国、巴基斯坦的水军。我觉得其实印度的水军更多，实际上他们可能都不是真正的水军。他们只是一些无所事事的失败者，所以到处煽动对其他群体的仇恨。


NUMBER_1_FLIP_HATER -> [Deleted]
Morning saar

早上好，先生。

CPA-Entre -> NUMBER_1_FLIP_HATER
These mfers really on every social media pretending to be other nationalities. People caught on their bullshit on Twitter, but they doing the same on Reddit too lol. Projection after projection with these folks


这些家伙真是在每个社交媒体上假装成其他国籍。推特上大家已经识破了他们的把戏，但他们在Reddit上还在继续，哈哈。这些人就是一个劲地自我投射。

TheUltimateCatArmy -> [Deleted]
lol how’re the rafales doing :)

哈哈，阵风战斗机怎么样了 :)

TheUltimateCatArmy -> [Deleted]
Damn the Hindu bots can’t even spell correctly. India has truly fallen far…. You’re probably too poor to afford a toilet let alone a plane 🤣
Imagine getting dog walked in a fucking surprise attack by fucking Pakistan. Sindoor was a Pyrrhic victory at best, and a strategic loss at worse. If the IAF can’t even shoot down J-10s or at least not get shot down by them, i can only imagine how hard China would make India its bitch in combat.

这些印度水军连拼写都拼不对。印度真是彻底没落了… 你们大概穷得连厕所都买不起，更别说飞机了🤣
想象一下，在一场突袭中被巴基斯坦打得像条狗一样。辛杜尔行动充其量也只是个惨胜，往坏里说就是战略失败。如果印度空军连J-10都打不下来，甚至连不被J-10打下来都做不到，那我只能想象中国在战斗中会把印度虐成什么样。

Ge0Daddy -> [Deleted]
Saar India air force number wan saar

先生，印度空军第一，先生。

HenryChangge -> [Deleted]
Saar get a life saar

先生，找点事做吧，先生

PuzzleheadedPen8476
Joke of the year. India doesnt have a 5th gen aircraft. China going to unveil 6th gen.

年度笑话。印度连五代机都没有，中国要发布六代机了。

Free-Employment3818
Terrible ranking

糟糕的排名。

hocuspocus4201
Press release by Indian Air Force?

印度空军的新闻稿？

No-Industry7298
of course.india just shoot down some china made plane. india should out rank china.

当然了。印度刚刚击落了一些中国制造的飞机。印度应该排名超过中国。

ParagonRenegade
The operational effectiveness of India's air force was notably demonstrated during Operation Sindoor,
omegalul

“印度空军的作战效能在辛杜尔行动得到了充分体现”，笑死我了。

asnbud01
It is, as the author of the article wrote, a stunning shift. I’m stunned.

正如文章作者所写，这是一个惊人的转变。我惊呆了。

bruindude007
In a world where the Russian Air Force is ranked no 2…… not meaningful until there is face to face action

在一个俄罗斯空军被评为世界第二的世界里… 这种排名没有意义，除非真正面对面对抗。

DifferentSeason6998
I disagree.

我不同意。

protonsters
Is it already April fool?

现在已经是愚人节了吗？

donBrkr
India signed a deal for 26 more rafales for the navy and negotiating 114 more for the air force. They also in talks to purchase Su-57s. That puts them solidly in 3rd place. 🙄

印度签署了为海军再采购26架阵风战机的协议，并正在谈判为空军采购另外114架。他们还在洽谈购买苏-57战机。这让他们稳居第三名。🙄

AdCool1638 -> donBrkr
Rafales hardly have any advantage over the F-16C/Ds that PAF has or the J-10C and F-16V they are going to procure. In fact, with the better Chinese AWACS we had already seen Indian Rafales getting davastated
You are not going to get any Su-57s any time soon, Russia was barely producing some ~10 Su-57s a year for their VVS, you think IAF is going to get them any time soon? And PLAAF has >350 J-20/J-20A/J-20S and >50 J-35/J-35A in service already, J-20 is now being produced at ~70 aircrafts per year, this means that PLAAF ranks 2nd in total 5th gen fighters, you think your pathetic IAF has any chance against that?

阵风战斗机相比巴基斯坦空军现有的F-16C/D，或者他们将要采购的歼-10C和F-16V，几乎没有什么优势。事实上，凭借更先进的中国预警机，我们已经看到印度的阵风被打得很惨。
你们也不可能很快拿到苏-57，俄罗斯每年也就勉强为自己的空天军生产大约10架苏-57，你觉得印度空军能这么快拿到吗？而中国空军已经有超过350架歼-20/歼-20A/歼-20S和50多架歼-35/歼-35A在服役，歼-20现在的年产量大约有70架，这意味着中国空军在五代机总数上排世界第二，你觉得你们那可怜的印度空军有任何胜算吗？

donBrkr -> AdCool1638
Lol. Hope you didn't downvote me. U didn't take a look at the emoji. I was being sarcastic.

哈哈，希望不是你给我点的踩。你没注意那个表情符号吧？我是在讽刺呢。

MD_Yoro -> donBrkr
Solidly in third place of buying jets.

在购买战斗机方面稳居第三。

Jafri2
Post it in the Indian subs, they'll believe it.
They would love it, guaranteed.

发到印度板块，他们会相信的。
保证他们会喜欢。

aussiegreenie
The Indian Air Force pilots are world-class as they fly about 2000 hours per year. The Russian pilots were flying about 100 hours per year pre-Ukraine.

印度空军的飞行员堪称世界一流，他们每年飞行大约2000小时。而俄罗斯飞行员在乌克兰战争前，每年只飞行大约100小时。

newsweek
By Amir Daftari - News Reporter:
In a stunning shift in global military power, India has leapfrogged China to claim the title of the third most powerful air force in the world. While the United States continues to dominate, followed by Russia, India’s rise signals a dramatic recalibration in Asia’s strategic balance.
China, long considered a major air power, now ranks fourth. The latest World Directory of Modern Military Aircraft (WDMMA) rankings cover 103 countries and 129 air services—including army, navy, and marine aviation branches—and track a total of 48,082 aircraft worldwide.
Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/india-overtakes-china-in-world-air-force-ranking-10882624?utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=reddit_main

由新闻记者阿米尔·达夫塔里报道：
在全球军事力量格局发生惊人转变之际，印度超越中国，成为世界第三大空军强国。尽管美国依然占据主导地位，俄罗斯紧随其后，但印度的崛起预示着亚洲战略平衡正在发生巨大调整。
长期以来被视为空中强国的中国，如今排名第四。最新的《世界现代军用飞机目录》（WDMMA）排名涵盖了103个国家和129个空军服务部门——包括陆军、海军和海军陆战队航空兵分支，并统计了全球共计48,082架军用飞机。

MD_Yoro -> newsweek
Amir
Do some real research and stop writing puff pieces that get ridiculed.
You are not helping Newsweek with gaining any credibility with such poorly researched article

阿米尔，做一些真正的调研，别再写那些被嘲笑的吹捧文章了。
你这种调研不充分的文章，根本无助于提升《新闻周刊》的公信力。