[2025-04-08]Quora问答：特朗普说“中国玩脱了，他们慌了。在对美国进口商品征收34%关税后，这是他们绝对不能做的事情”，你同意特朗普的观点吗？

Joshua Wong Former Portfolio Manager
I’m puzzled, really puzzled, seriously puzzled.
Not being sarcastic, do free thinkers in the democractic West have memory, at all?
Understand Donald’s ultimate goal is to cut fiscal deficit, understand he doesn’t have many options.
He’s trying to reduce reliance on imports, build domestic manufacturing and improve employment.
But can’t he remember he already tried with tariffs during his first term? Did he succeed? Is he sure it works, even though he already failed four years ago?
The only way to explain it is he’s expecting “overall gains,” by launching trade war against more countries, there could be positive expected value in aggregate. But that’s much harder to calculate.
This is the weirdest thing ever. People do something in the same wrong way repeatedly and expect a different, positive outcome.
It used to be Americans denying things happened hundreds of years ago, decades ago, a few years back, now they are denying what is happening NOW.
From the very top to the very bottom, everyone is insane.
In a sick society, they expect wellness.
Worse than WW3, really.

【回答】前投资组合经理
我很困惑，真的很困惑，非常困惑。
不是讽刺，西方民主国家的自由思想家们到底有没有记忆力？
要知道特朗普的最终目标是削减财政赤字，要知道他的选择并不多。
他正试图减少对进口的依赖，建立国内制造业并改善就业。
但他难道不记得自己在第一个任期内就已经尝试过关税吗？他成功了吗？尽管四年前他就失败了，但他确定这行得通吗？
唯一的解释是，他期待“整体收益”，通过对更多国家发动贸易战，整体上可能会有正的预期价值。但这更难计算。
这真是最奇怪的事情。用同样错误的方式重复做一件事，却期望得到不同的、积极的结果。
以前，美国人否认几百年前、几十年前、几年前发生的事情，而现在，他们否认正在发生的事情。
从最高层到最底层，每个人都疯了。
在一个病态的社会里，他们却期待健康。
比第三次世界大战还要糟糕，真的。
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David Glover
This is the mindset of the 18th century physicians who had little more in their tool kit than ‘bleeding’ their patients, and who, when their patients failed to rally, prescribed yet another dose. I believe I've read Washington bled out to his death this way.

【回复】这就是 18 世纪医生的思维方式，他们的工具包里除了给病人 "放血 "外，几乎没有其他东西，当病人无法恢复时，他们就再开一次放血。我记得我读到过华盛顿就是这样失血过多而死的。
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John Pryor
I don’t see any panic China just decided enough is enough & stood up to them. Sadly in the 70s the US was looked up to & a place people might aspire to move to but it’s lost its way especially in the last 20 years. It lies vilifies others & attempts to drag countries down to its level over improving itself. I have no respect for the US anymore just like I wouldn’t for a person that behaves that way. How he can stand there with made up figures is beyond me, it’s beyond funny now. We are in for a battle of brains against brawn & frankly my 6 year old niece has a better grasp on the world than he does so I don’t hold much hope for the US. To be honest it’s about time someone put them in their place so I am routing for China as the US started this sh#t show.

【回答】
我看不出中国有任何恐慌，只是觉得受够了，所以站出来反击。可悲的是，在70年代，美国曾是人们仰望的对象，也是人们向往的地方，但现在它迷失了方向，尤其是在过去 20 年里。它谎话连篇，诋毁他人，并试图将其他国家拉低到自己的水平，而不是自我完善。我再也不会尊重美国了，就像我不会尊重一个有这种行为的人一样。实在难以理解他怎么能站在那胡编数据，荒唐到连可笑都算不上了。我们正在进行一场智力与体力的较量，老实说，我六岁的侄女比他更了解这个世界，所以我对美国不抱什么希望。现在是时候让他们自食其果了，所以我支持中国，因为是美国挑起了这场闹剧。
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Dave Stedman
Your comments echo what I said about the USA some 40 years ago!

【回复】你的评论与我 40 多年前对美国的评价如出一辙！

Scott Bruno
You go route for China, in fact,, why don’t you take your sorry ass and go move there to see how great things are in china and for the Chinese. I just wonder, are you a spineless Frenchman, or a pussy Canuck, or a dirty weak inbred mixed Hab?

【回复】你支持中国，你为什么不干脆滚去中国定居，看看中国和中国人的生活有多好。我只是想知道，你是一个没骨气的法国人，还是一个娘娘腔的加拿大人，还是一个肮脏软弱的近亲混血儿？

John Pryor
You are insecure aren’t you I would not tolerate a person that acted like Trump I would put him in his place. Countries elect bad leaders but to do it twice with his previous track record is impressive. I bet he is the only world leader the press started tracking what he said was wrong, they called it proven lies. Around 8 times a day last time he was in office. What did you think would change?

【答主回复】你是不是缺乏安全感？我不会容忍像特朗普那样行事的人，我会让他认清自己的位置。国家有时会选出不称职的领导人，但以他之前的记录来看，还能连任就很厉害了。我敢打赌，他是唯一一个媒体开始统计他说过的错话的世界领导人，他们称其为已被证实的谎言。上次他在任时，每天大约有 8 次。你认为会有什么变化？

Chris Riches
Trump is a narcissistic idiot playing with the finances of the world. The people who are most going to suffer are those working class MAGAz who voted for him. He has no interest in the proletariat and will do everything he can to extract additional taxes from them in the name of Tariffs. He said ‘Tariffs is a wonderful word’ and what he meant was that you won’t be able to differentiate between tariffs and taxes.

【回复】特朗普是一个自恋的白痴，玩弄着世界的金融。最受影响的是那些投票支持他的工人阶级 MAGAz。他对无产阶级毫无兴趣，将竭尽所能以关税为名从他们身上榨取额外税收。他说“关税是个美妙的词”，他的意思是你无法区分关税和税收。
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Jesuan Wu
China can and China did.
China can do it again and all day long.
It’s Trump who’s panicking, due to the fear that the world may or may not follow China on retaliation against the US.
The thing is, China has been the target of US tariffs since 2018. We’ve been taking it for longer than anyone else and just like getting a cold or other virus, we’ve become immune to it. The Chinese sectors that were most reliant on the US have already diversified, or de-risked.
American medias reporting on China being reliant on the American market or Chinese economy crumbling, are doing the popular and more profitable thing by selling a false sense of security instead of facts. It would be funny if the US policy makers actually fell for their own propaganda and measures China wrong. China’s economy is actually kind of in the best shape worldwide right now, and the US attacking China would only hasten the demise of its own hegemony.
Try put another 1000% tariff on China and see if anyone would care here.

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中国能做，中国也做了。中国可以再做，而且一直做。
恐慌的是特朗普，因为他担心全世界会不会也跟着中国一起报复美国。
实际上，自2018年以来，中国一直是美国关税的目标。我们承受的时间比任何人都长，就像得了感冒或其他病毒一样，我们已经对它产生了免疫力。中国最依赖美国的行业已经实现了多元化，或者说去风险化。
美国媒体报道中国依赖美国市场或中国经济崩溃，都是在卖弄虚假的安全感，而不是事实，这样做更受欢迎，也更有利可图。如果美国的政策制定者真的被自己的宣传所迷惑，错误地看待中国，那就太可笑了。实际上，中国经济目前处于全球最佳状态，美国攻击中国只会加速自己霸权的消亡。
试着再对中国征收 1000% 的关税，看看这里还有没有人在乎。
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Ian Clarkson
Trump is imposing tariffs, which are a tax on all citizens, particularly those in the lower income class. The billions that are accrued by the government will be used to give his fellow millionaires/billionaires a nice tax break. The ones least affected by tariffs. Have a nice day all you schmucks who voted for Trump.

【回复】特朗普正在征收关税，这相当于是对所有公民，尤其是低收入阶层的征税。政府由此获得的数十亿美元将用来给他的百万富翁/亿万富翁们减税，而这些人受关税的影响最小。祝所有投票给特朗普的笨蛋们，度过愉快的一天。

Robin Lee
in a system that you can only choose DT or JB, no one should be blame.

【回复】在一个你只能选择 DT 或 JB 的系统中，没有人应该受到指责。

Peter Catley
It wasn't a choice between Dolt45 and Biden. It was a choice between Kamala Harris, and intelligent, accomplished black/Asian woman and a convicted felon, fraudster, draft dodging morally bankrupt shit skin in an ill fitting suit.
The US population made their choice and now they have to deal with it. The rest of the world will move on and disengage to protect themselves and leave the US to rot.

【回复】这不是在特朗普和拜登之间做选择，而是在卡玛拉·哈里斯，一个聪明、有成就的黑人/亚裔女性，和一个被定罪的重犯、骗子、逃兵、道德破产的人之间的选择。
美国人民做出了自己的选择，现在他们必须面对现实。世界其他国家将继续前进，脱离接触以保护自己，让美国自生自灭。

Paul Shepperdson
Consumption taxes (tariffs) affect people who spend money. A lot of money. Used vehicles and consumables like food are not affected. Millionaires and billionaires are the only ones paying income taxes. The vast majority of Americans pay very little if any. The Trump organization pays more income taxes than the bottom 50% of the households in America do. In 2023 Musk paid more in income taxes than any individual ever has in the history of our country. Vilify deadbeats that don’t contribute not those that contribute the most.

【回复】消费税（关税）对花钱的富人才有影响。二手车和食品等消费品不受影响。只有百万富翁和亿万富翁缴纳所得税。绝大多数美国人只缴纳很少的税。特朗普集团缴纳的所得税比美国最底层50%的家庭缴纳的所得税还要多。2023 年，马斯克缴纳的所得税比我国历史上任何个人缴纳的都要多。应该谴责没有贡献的人，而不是贡献最大的人。

Bjoern VT
that sounds quite cool, sadly it is not true… used cars will become significantly more expensive, as way more people have to buy those instead of buying new ones.
there will be a way smaller market so prices will rise the same way.
regarding food, supplies for farming equipment, repairs, spare parts, oil/and gas, imported fertilizer and such will become more expensive, thus prices for everything they produce and follow up products i.e. bread will be more expensive, not even talking about the food you already have to import…
removing extremely low income taxes, which likely will not even happen, as the tax reliefs for big companies will already eat up the budget, will not compensate
so no, even if you might or not be right on the gross amount on taxes paid, the ones who suffer from the extra burden are always those who are already in trouble…
richer people will probably not even feel a big difference

【回复】听起来很酷，可惜事实并非如此... 二手车的价格会大幅上涨，因为越来越多的人不得不购买二手车而不是新车。
市场规模将大大缩小，所以价格也会随之上涨。
在食品方面，农用设备、维修、备件、石油/天然气、进口化肥等供应品会变得更贵，因此他们生产的所有产品和后续产品（如面包）的价格也会更贵，这还不包括你不得不进口的食品...
取消极低的所得税无法弥补（这很可能根本不会发生，因为对大公司的税收减免已经耗尽了预算）。
所以，不管你对纳税总额的判断是对或是错，承受额外负担的总是那些已经有困难的人...
富人可能根本感觉不到有多大差别

Ngo Manh Lam
I am happy now that a brave strong man stand up to the bully. China is leading the world!

【回复】我现在很高兴，有一个勇敢的强者站出来反抗恶霸。中国正在引领世界！

Jesuan Wu
Southeast Asia would be hit especially bad by these Trump tariffs. Their entire economic prosperity of the past few years was built on being the transition countries for Chinese components to be assembled and sent to the US, avoiding the tariff on China. Trump has just killed that development model and it may plunge countries like Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia into recession. Especially Vietnam.
I expect these countries to immediately move closer to China for more partnership.

【答主回复】特朗普的这些关税对东南亚的打击尤为严重。过去几年中，这些国家的经济繁荣主要依赖于作为中国零部件的中转地，进行组装后再出口到美国，从而避开对中国的关税。特朗普刚刚扼杀了这种发展模式，可能会使越南、印尼和马来西亚等国陷入衰退。尤其是越南。
我预计这些国家会立即向中国靠拢，建立更多的伙伴关系。

Ati Chanchal
Vietnam is wary of China. Being a small country it may have other options

【回复】越南对中国心存戒备。作为一个小国，它可能有其他选择

Daemon Ricks
We are all interdependant today. Applying crazy tarifs variations is not good for anyone.
Trump is bloody stupid and is destroying his own country on top of messing the whole world trade market.

【回复】今天，我们都是相互依存的。实施疯狂的关税变化对任何人都没有好处
特朗普真是愚蠢至极，不仅毁了自己的国家，还搅乱了整个世界贸易市场。

Lorenzo Giusto
China has a domestic market that other countries can only dream of. China does not need anyone.

【回复】中国拥有其他国家只能梦寐以求的国内市场。中国不需要依赖任何人。

Richard Teo
Not true, China does need others to supply goods that China cannot produce, like, DURIAN!!

【回复】并非如此，中国确实需要其他国家提供中国无法生产的商品，比如，榴莲！！

Vincent Ang
Durians forever

【回复】永远的榴莲

Michael Holden
Tbh, I prefer and perhaps trust China over the US. Even if maga gets kicked out of government, it will be decades before the US is trusted again.

【回复】老实说，与美国相比，我更喜欢也更信任中国。即使MAGA被赶下台，美国也要几十年后才会再次获得信任。

Lim Chiao
China can take this opportunity to start another free trade organization. Its time to reconfigure a new world order without the USA.

【回复】中国可以借此机会建立另一个自由贸易组织。是时候重新构建一个没有美国的新世界秩序了。

John Lidtke
Trump, Musk and Putin. Three of a kind. China has a royal flush. Trump sucks at cards. America will pay the price. Trump will go play golf.

【回复】特朗普、马斯克、普京，三条，而中国手握同花顺。特朗普牌技稀烂，美国会付出代价的。特朗普只会打高尔夫。

Wk Li
how can China not retaliate, if smaller nations will?
Doesn't that make them look chicken?
Trump is calling everyone's bluff, but starting too many fires at once will result in a burnt Ass.

【回复】如果小国都会反击，中国怎么能不反击呢？
这不是让他们看起来很胆小吗？
特朗普在向所有人虚张声势，但一次点燃太多的火，只会惹火上身。

Walter-Lee Campher
South Africa will divert to China cause it has, so did Africa. I forgot USA is a planet? The only living beings? The only economy? Good luck to that. We will just turn our back on the US.

【回复】南非将转向中国，非洲也是。我是不是忘了美国是个星球？唯一的生物？唯一的经济体？祝好运。我们只会背弃美国。

Jeanpeterson Pierce
you must learn how to handle a Big Bully

【回复】你必须学会如何对付大恶霸

Frederick
Canada has been dealing with tariffs from the US for decades. China can hit the US a lot harder than us but we are still striking back.

【回复】几十年来，加拿大一直在应对美国的关税。中国打击美国的力度比我们大得多，但我们也在反击。

Jameshyde022
Cool story, bro.

【回复】很酷的故事，兄弟。

Richard Teo
Have to give it to DT. He fooled / blinded everyone (almost, except China) with “reciprocal”. All along it is about trade deficit and also attack / contain China, especially those that played the “avoidance” route - Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Mexico, etc. ..
Now that China has “reacted”, perhaps it is time for China to “act” rather than “react” …

【回复】不得不佩服特朗普。他用“互惠”愚弄/蒙蔽了几乎所有国家（除了中国）。一直以来，这都是为了贸易逆差，同时也是为了攻击/遏制中国，尤其是那些玩“迂回”路线的国家，越南、泰国、马来西亚、墨西哥等。
中国已经做出了“反应”，也许现在是中国“行动”而不是“反应”的时候了...

Richard Alexander
The total exports to America is about 12% of China's exports. China could shut down the entire American export, it would sting, but would be overcome quickly. China has been preparing for this since the last trump term. Africa, Asean, South America, middle east, and the rest of the world will pick up the 12%.

【回复】中国对美国的出口总额约占其出口总量的12%。如果中国完全停止对美出口，虽然会带来一些冲击，但很快就能克服。自上一个特朗普任期以来，中国一直在为此做准备。非洲、东盟、南美、中东及世界其他地区将填补这12%的空缺。

Petra Liel
Visually it looks like usa is the one attacking but somehow I feel China's baited the usa

【回复】从表面上看，是美国在攻击，但不知为何，我总觉得是中国在诱导美国攻击。

Fskhan Khan
Honestly, you might be onto something here. China's been playing the long game with soft power moves and strategic economic ties for years while America reacts loudly to every provocation. Sometimes it feels like they want us to overcommit militarily or economically so they can paint us as aggressors on the global stage. The whole South China Sea tensions, trade war escalations, even tech rivalry - Beijing often lets us take the first visible swing while they've already set the chessboard. Makes you wonder who's really steering the narrative.

【回复】说真的，你可能发现了问题。中国多年来一直通过软实力和战略性经济联系下这盘大棋，而美国对每次挑衅都大张旗鼓地反应。有时感觉他们就是希望我们在军事或经济上过度投入，好在国际舞台上把我们塑造成侵略者。南海局势、贸易战升级、甚至科技竞争，北京经常让我们先出招，而他们早已布好棋局。不禁怀疑，谁才是真正引导叙事的一方。

Abbs Nafoosh
Think about how China pushes the 'wolf warrior' persona selectively – they get loud enough to provoke knee-jerk Pentagon press conferences or congressional freakouts, but always dial it back before crossing red lines. Meanwhile they're locking down lithium mines in Africa or building ports in Sri Lanka while we're distracted by carrier deployments. Every move looks 'defensive' if you squint at their state media spin. We keep playing checkers; they’re stacking the backgammon chips.

【回复】想想中国是如何选择性地塑造“战狼”形象。他们制造足够大的动静，来刺激五角大楼开紧急发布会，或引起国会山骚动，但总是在踩红线前收敛锋芒。与此同时，趁我们被航母调动分心，他们悄悄拿下非洲锂矿或斯里兰卡港口。如果你仔细看他们的官方媒体宣传，每个动作都像是在“防御”。我们还在玩跳棋，他们早把双陆棋的筹码堆成山了。

Paul Poh
Trump and his dream team expects every country to kowtow to them but not China.

【回复】特朗普和他的梦之队希望每个国家都向他们磕头，但中国除外。

Andreas Schmidt Mumm
He doesn’t understand what he is dealing with. He thinks in terms of one to one deal making. The global economy doesn’t work like that. The global economy is a complex, multi party aglomerate in a steady state governed by financial woes of share markets which work by 80% on wishful thinking or ducking for cover.
And he just threw a spanner in it.What he also doesn’t understand is that unlike the US economy which is geared towards short term results and profits, the Chinese system is on of long term planning. That means the two will react very differently to something like tariffs. China wii try to absorb the tariffs, the US will try to ride them for quick money.
What he also doesn’t understand is that China has a population of 1.4 billion Chinese who have been working hard on making China great again for the better part of a century, and they are quite a tough little people there and they ALL work fir the better of China. If the US wants to put a tarrif on Chinese goods, China is simply not going to sell the plasma TVs and mobile phones to the US but to the Chinese people at home at much lower price, without a tariff. They have a market of 1.4 billion people.
And if you think the Chinese people are too poor for that, do youself a favour an up your state of knowledge. Just randomly choose a Chinese provincial city like Hefei or Liuzhou and find a video on youtube. Enjoy.

【回复】他不明白自己面对的是什么。他总是想着一对一的交易，但全球经济不是这样运作的。全球经济是一个复杂的多方集合体，处于由股市的金融困境支配的稳定状态，而股市80%依赖于一厢情愿的想法或避险。
他还不明白的是，美国经济着眼于短期结果和利润，而中国的经济体系则着眼于长期规划。这意味着两者对关税等问题的反应截然不同。中国会努力消化关税，而美国则会试图利用关税赚快钱。
他还不明白的是，中国有 14 亿中国人，一个多世纪以来，他们一直在努力让中国再次伟大起来，他们都是相当坚强的老百姓，他们都在为中国的更好发展而努力。如果美国想对中国商品征收关税，中国根本不会把等离子电视和手机卖给美国，而是以更低的价格卖给国内的中国人，而且不征收关税。他们拥有 14 亿人口的市场。
如果你认为中国人太穷了买不起这些东西，那就提升一下自己的知识水平吧。随便选一个中国的省会城市，比如合肥或柳州，然后在 youtube 上找一段视频。好好欣赏吧
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Hypocritic Westerner
Nobody cares what this idiot says. If he has the gut to raise tariffs, he must have prepared to face the consequence. Obviously Trump is panicking as fuck as he has no clue on what to do when China retaliates.

【回答】
没人在乎这个白痴说什么。如果他有胆量提高关税，那他一定已经做好了面对后果的准备。显然，特朗普慌得要命，因为他根本不知道中国反击时该怎么办。
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PC Yu
China has just imposed the same 34% reciprocal tariff on ALL US imports to China. On top of the current tariff on certain US imports. That is, some US imports are tariffed as high as 50%.
Now, let us see if it is USA or China who surrender first. I bet it will be USA because USA has both budget & trade deficit.
In summer 2024, there was a monetary war between USA & China (actually Asia incl Japan). By Sept, USA waved a white flag by decreasing its interest rate by 5% that much. Then a group of US experts went to China talking about cooperation.
USA is a hollow country with no substance. What is left for them is just their mouth. Lies. Intimidation/threat. That is all.

【回复】中国刚刚对所有美国进口产品征收 34% 的对等关税。加上目前对某些美国进口产品的关税，这意味着一些美国产品的关税高达50%。
现在，让我们看看是美国还是中国先投降。我打赌会是美国，因为美国有预算和贸易赤字。
2024 年夏天，美国和中国（实际上是亚洲，包括日本）之间爆发了一场货币战争。到了 9 月，美国挥舞白旗，将利率下调了5%。随后，一群美国专家前往中国，商讨合作事宜。
美国是一个空洞的国家，没有任何实质内容。他们只剩下嘴巴。谎言、恐吓/威胁。仅此而已。
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Tom Kitta
I think Trump is now a bit scared of this rather strong response from China. They did not even start any negotiations - they just fired back.
China did not panic - they are sure their time is now - and US is way too late.
Trump said 34% - China immediately said, I take your 34% and add mine - 34%. Your move!

【回答】
我觉得特朗普现在有点害怕中国的这种强烈反应。他们甚至没有开始任何谈判，就直接反击了。
中国并没有惊慌失措，他们确信自己的时机已到，而美国为时已晚。
特朗普说34%，中国马上就说，我接受你的34%，再加上我的34%。轮到你了！
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PeaceNotWar
China has gone through harder times. They can always live with less. Not so sure the well fed Americans can face hardship.

【回复】中国经历过更艰难的时期。他们总能过得节俭一些。倒是养尊处优的美国人未必能承受困苦。

Michael Kay
Chinese leaders do not have to worry about primaries, mid-term elections, polls, or being reelected.
They do think about the long term. Their main rival has withdrawn from the international trade system. And they are now the trustworthy world producer. And they keep their trade agreements.

【回复】中国领导人不必担心初选、中期选举、民意调查或连任。
他们确实从长远考虑。他们的主要竞争对手已经退出了国际贸易体系。他们现在是值得信赖的世界生产国。他们遵守贸易协定。

PeaceNotWar
Their last straw. Those are all the symptoms. One cannot live liked there is no tomorrow. Payback time.

【回复】他们的最后一根稻草。这些都是症状。人不能只及时行乐不计后果。报应的时候到了。

Rita L
What “well-fed Americans”?? Food insecurity in the U.S. has been increasing for a while, and Trump's incompetence as typified by the tariffs will cause grocery prices to soar. Many retirees will be especially hard-hit, since pensions are rare and the 401(k)’s that retirees depend on are shrinking rapidly due to the Trump-caused stock market plunge which has no end in sight. When your income shrinks while the price of everything goes up, tragedy is just around the corner.

【回复】什么叫“养尊处优的美国人”？？美国的食品不安全问题一直在加剧，而特朗普的无能（关税就是典型例子）将导致食品价格飙升。许多退休人员会受到特别严重的打击，因为养老金短缺，而退休人员赖以生存的 401(k) 由于特朗普导致的股市暴跌而迅速缩水，而且还看不到尽头。当你的收入减少，而所有东西的价格都上涨时，悲剧就在眼前了。

Cam Schumacher
While food insecurity is growing in the U.S., the majority of Americans still have plenty of food. Shelters, soup kitchens and food pantries still have food to give out. Many schools are continuing the free lunch programs over summer. BUT, the U.S. has never faced a true famine. China did 60 years ago and over 30 million starved to death. Look at the tantrums Americans threw when they couldn’t go eat in restaurants and how much they hoarded during reduced supplies during Covid. I fear how everyone would act during a real scarcity or worse, an actual famine.

【回复】虽然美国的食品不安全问题日益严重，但大多数美国人仍然有充足的食物。收容所、施粥所和食物救济站仍有食物可供分发。许多学校在暑假期间继续提供免费午餐。然而，美国从未面临过真正的饥荒。中国在60年前经历过，3000 多万人饿死。看看美国人在不能去餐厅吃饭时的抱怨，以及在疫情期间物资减少时的囤积行为。我担心如果真的出现严重短缺，甚至真正的饥荒，大家会如何反应。

Andrew Grey
And obesity is about 40%,

【回复】然而肥胖率约为 40%。

Rita L
Obesity is often caused by unavailability and/or unaffordability of healthy foods including fresh fruits and vegetables. There are large swaths of the nation where the a only affordable food is high-salt, high-fat, calorie dense fast food like McDonald's. A diet of fast food can very quickly make someone overweight or obese, even at the same time that they are undernourished with regard to vitamins, minerals, and fiber.
Believing that being fat means you are well-nourished is extremely misinformed.

【回复】肥胖通常是因为健康食品（包括新鲜水果和蔬菜）难以获得或买不起导致的。在美国的大片地区，人们唯一能买得起的食物就是高盐、高脂肪、高热量的快餐，比如麦当劳。以快餐为生的人很快就会超重或肥胖，甚至同时缺乏维生素、矿物质和纤维。
认为肥胖就意味着营养好，这种想法是极其错误的。

Andrew Grey
Just going by Australia, i note a correlation with shopping trolly contents, manufactured food & drink as opposed to fruit and veggie to obesity. Australia has many remote areas, and it is rare for fresh food to be unavailable. As for fast food , usually laziness or an inability to cook

【回复】仅就澳大利亚而言，我注意到购物车里的物品、加工食品和饮料与肥胖之间存在关联，而不是水果和蔬菜。澳大利亚有许多偏远地区，但很少会有新鲜食品短缺的情况。至于快餐，通常是因为懒惰或不会做饭。

Jon Edwards
That is absolutely incorrect. American obesity has evolved from American industrial farming coupled with over processed foods and fast foods. Americans are obsessed with easy fast and cheap where the chemicals in the processed foods include preservatives and sugars in so many forms of processed corn syrups and dyes etc. that we don't have a clue anymore what a healthy diet consists of. Unfortunately folks have devolved into forgetting how to prepare vegetables and fresh meats for a balanced diet. The ingredients are absolutely available. So sorry to say it requires more time than a family with two working parents can manage.

【回复】这完全错误。美国的肥胖问题源于美国的工业化农业以及过度加工的食品和快餐。美国人痴迷于简单、快速和廉价的食品，而这些加工食品中的化学成分包括防腐剂和各种形式的糖，如加工玉米糖浆和色素等。我们已经不知道健康饮食应该是什么样子了。不幸的是，人们已经退化到忘记了如何烹制蔬菜和新鲜肉类来保持饮食均衡。食材完全可以买到，但很遗憾地说，这需要更多的时间，不是一个双职工家庭所能承受的。

Toby Smith
China can’t hold that position very long they are counting on the likes of people like yourself to panic and protest to shut Trump down. Budget deficit with China says their pain will far surpass ours.

【回复】中国不可能长期维持这个立场，他们指望的是像你这样的人恐慌和抗议，以阻止特朗普。中国的预算赤字表明，他们的痛苦将远远超过我们。

PeaceNotWar
Budget surplus - not a deficit to date. They can tighten budget on the fly. They are a one-party government and the people will fully support their meritocratic leaders. You are badly misinformed. Learn something. I am not from China but my blood came from China. I know better.

【回复】一直都是预算盈余，而不是赤字。他们可以随时收紧预算。他们是一党制政府，人民会全力支持他们任人唯贤的领导人。你的信息严重错误。去学点东西吧。我不是中国人，但我的血统源自中国。我更了解中国。

Michael Green
trump is 🗑 trash

【回复】特朗普就是个垃圾

Jacy Leong
for those idiots who voted for this baboon congrats you just won the lottery hahahahaha

【回复】那些把票投给这只狒狒的白痴们，恭喜你们中了大奖，哈哈哈哈

Steven Sandberg
It would be nice to read responses from people that were able to remove the lens of Trump hatred, or Trump Worship. It honestly makes your perspective worthless. Who knows how it will turn out? However, anyone with any sense of history would know that something has/had to be done. The destruction of America's middle class, which owned almost 80 percent of the wealth in the 50s and 60s (due to Production and manufacturing increasing blue collar incomes) has been completed. Now that 80 percent is owned by the Banking and Real Estate Industries. It indeed was a great transfer of wealth, based on the removal of sharing in profits by employees. The Netherlands economy was based on this same model in the 1700–1800s. It breeds super wealthy, and a dependant class. They removed the levers of upward mobility. I believe that the direction of the current administration is the correct one. Just not sure if it's possible in the face of the way the World's Economy has become cemented in the current model. Canada's current state is a great example of how countries will eventually die. 10 years ago it was the North American model of strength. Now it lags behind Mississippi for per capita GDP. That seems to be the model that Europe, and the more Liberal politicians are leading countries. The Goose that lays the Golden Eggs is slowly being strangled. If Trump is unable to revive it, this thread will be irrelevant.

【回复】希望能看到那些能够抛开对特朗普的仇恨或崇拜的人发表的看法，否则这些观点真的毫无价值。谁知道结果会如何呢？不过，任何有历史意识的人都知道必须采取一些行动。美国中产阶级的瓦解已成定局，这个在1950-60年代曾拥有全国近80%财富的群体（当时制造业繁荣推高了蓝领收入），如今80%的财富已转移到银行和房地产行业手中。这确实是一场巨大的财富转移，根源就在于雇员分红制度的消亡。
17至18世纪的荷兰经济就是这种模式的翻版，最终只会催生超级富豪和依附阶层，彻底堵死阶层上升通道。我相信当前政府的方向是正确的，只是不确定在当前世界经济模式已然固化的情况下，是否能实现。加拿大的现状就是一个很好的例子，显示出国家如何逐渐走向衰亡。十年前，加拿大还是北美强国的典范，现在人均GDP落后于密西西比州。这似乎是欧洲及更多自由派政治家领导国家所采用的模式。下金蛋的鹅正在慢慢被宰杀。如果特朗普无法复苏经济，这个讨论就毫无意义了。

Ed Conaway
Well said

【回复】说得好

Ashok Jain
USA had no competition in 60’s and 70 ‘s . Technology advantage US Had , has been nullified. In Elecronics and auto manufacturing , US can not be competetive, How Many top ten breands in Auto industry and Top 5 in TV, dish washers , home Appliances etc Are US Made . In EV, already lagging behind rival China . If China and India Had friendly relationship Game would been long over . US companies can still find Market in India . US has big lead in big price items Like AIR and defense, should Stay focused on those and have friendly relatinships with upcoming Powers . For , Trump , it is Zero šum Game . He could be smart and cunning , but lack intellect and analytical thought proces . Shoot first , ask later

【回复】在60年代和70年代，美国没有竞争对手。美国曾经的技术优势已经丧失殆尽。在电子和汽车制造领域，美国不具备竞争力，汽车行业前十名和电视机、洗碗机、家用电器等行业前五名有多少是美国制造的。在电动汽车领域，美国已经落后于竞争对手中国。如果中印关系友好，这场游戏早就结束了。美国公司仍然可以在印度找到市场。美国在航空航天和国防等高溢价商品领域处于领先地位，应继续专注于这些领域，并与即将到来的大国建立友好关系。而对特朗普而言，这是一个零和游戏。他可能聪明狡猾，但缺乏智慧和分析思考能力。总是先出手再考虑。
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Nari Kei
Panicked? Oh, we didn't even take this matter too seriously. The equivalent increase in tariffs is just another shoe landing, and that was a long prepared plan. Currently, we are more concerned about how to provide disaster relief in Myanmar, which is more important to us now than the White House. We have also been paying close attention to news related to the former president of South Korea recently, and some people are interested in the extent to which the US stock market can dive, but it has never been the White House.

【回答】
慌了？哦，我们根本没把这件事太当回事。对等关税不过是另一只靴子落地，那是早有准备的预案。目前，我们更关心的是如何在缅甸救灾，这可比白宫更重要。最近，我们也在密切关注与韩国前总统有关的新闻，有些人对美国股市能跳水到什么程度很感兴趣，但从不会关注白宫。
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Geoffrey Anderson
Very sensible. People would be wise to ignore the asylum which was once the White House.

【回复】非常明智。人们最好不要理会这座曾是白宫的疯人院。

Christopher Bong
Well said.

【回复】说得好

Terry Wong
Grab your popcorn and sit back, no choice in what he does.

【回复】拿起你的爆米花，坐好，他别无选择。
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Ridzwan Abdul Rahman Self employed (2000–present)
I don’t see China panicking. I see them responding with an equal tariff - 34% on US exports into China. In addition, China also announced it would put in export controls on seven rare earth minerals, including gadolinium and samarium.
Trump must have meant that the US cannot afford to be hit with a retaliatory 34% tariff from China.

【回答】自营职业（2000 年-至今）
我没看到中国恐慌了。我看到他们的反应是对美国出口到中国的产品征收 34% 的同等关税。此外，中国还宣布将对包括钆和钐在内的七种稀土矿物实施出口管制。
特朗普的意思一定是美国承受不起中国 34% 的报复性关税。
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H2O
China has shown throughout these last 20 years or so to response in a calculated proportional retaliation that ia effective and does not harm the people. This time seems the same way and i dont see any panic reaction.

【回复】在过去的 20 多年里，中国一直采取有计划、有分寸的反击方式，既有效又不伤害人民。这次似乎也是如此，我没有看到任何恐慌反应。
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Clifford Nelson
No it is the United States that played it wrong. China is the major supplier is much of the components used to build American products that are then even sold overseas. The tariffs will increase the cost of those components and so American companies will have to raid prices to cover the increased cost of the components used in the products they produce. China buys very little any more from the United States needed to produce products they sell. The foolishness of Trump and Biden in sancitons against Chinese companiens has forced Chinese companies to develope thier own suppliers.
To show how little China needs American product just look at the trade balance
US imports of Chinese goods reached $438.9bn in 2024, or 2.3% of China's $19tn economy, while the trade surplus hit $295bn, a 5.8% increase from 2023.
A lot of what China bought from the US was agricultural and energy. Both can be gotten from other sources.
That people beleive that idiot says a lot about them.

【回答】
不，美国才是做错了。中国是制造美国产品所使用的大部分零部件的主要供应国，这些产品还会销往海外。关税将增加这些零部件的成本，所以美国公司将不得不提高价格，以弥补其生产的产品所使用的零部件成本的增加。中国几乎不再从美国购买生产其销售产品所需的东西了。特朗普和拜登对中国公司的愚蠢制裁，迫使中国公司发展自己的供应商。
要说明中国有多不需要美国产品，只要看看贸易差额就知道了
2024年，美国从中国进口的商品达到4389亿美元，相当于中国19万亿美元经济总量的2.3%，而贸易顺差达到2950亿美元，比2023年增长了5.8%。
中国从美国购买的大部分是农产品和能源。这些东西都可以从其他来源获得。
人们相信那个白痴的话，说明了很多问题。

Tenz
I give you an example of how this works in real life.
Russia has AvtoVAZ car plant. It produces mediocre cars for decades. Because these cars can not compete with others in terms of price and quality, government imposed tariffs and other tariff-like measures.
Result after years of this policy: AvtoVAZ cars are mediocre, and all cars in the country are more expensive.
Trump's policy will do the same thing for internal market of US and divide the world market into 2 parts: US market and non-US market with several countries acting as intermediaries between these 2.
If we talk about how it will work specifically for China, than China will just abandon trade with US and will send goods to other countries.

【回答】
我给你们一个例子，来说明现实生活中这是如何运作的。
俄罗斯有一家AvtoVAZ汽车厂，几十年来一直生产平庸的汽车。由于这些汽车在价格和质量上无法与其他品牌竞争，政府实施了关税和类似关税的措施。多年来这种政策的结果是：AvtoVAZ汽车依旧平庸，而国内所有汽车的价格都更高。
特朗普的政策会对美国的国内市场产生同样的影响，并将世界市场分为两部分：美国市场和非美国市场，一些国家将在这两者之间充当中介。如果具体谈到中国的情况，中国将放弃与美国的贸易，把商品转向其他国家。

Paul H
The retaliatory tariffs is not a “panicked” move. It's something that the Chinese government has debated and aligned on since Trump's first term and into Biden's term. There's still a potential that the Chinese government miscalculated, but the move is thought out and not a panic move.
China's retaliation will cause more short term pain for both countries, but China can tolerate a lot more short term pain than Trump can. It has an annual $1 Trillion trade surplus and a slight deflation. The tariffs might raise prices, but the working class Chinese citizen would still be able to afford the goods. The US has been struggling with inflation. If Trump can't get it under control he's not going to last.

【回答】
反制关税并不是一种“恐慌”之举。这是中国政府自特朗普第一任期以来一直在讨论和协调的事情，并延续到拜登任期。虽然存在中国政府可能误判的可能性，但这一举动是经过深思熟虑的，而不是出于恐慌。
中国的反击会给两国带来更多短期痛苦，但中国能忍受的短期痛苦要比特朗普多得多。中国每年有1万亿美元的贸易顺差和轻微的通货紧缩。关税可能会提高物价，但中国工薪阶层仍能负担得起这些商品。而美国一直在与通货膨胀作斗争。如果特朗普无法控制通胀，他就撑不了多久了。
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John Togno
The Chinese have the advantage of over 2000 years of diplomacy and foreign policy experience with multiple nations and leaders. A decision like this for them is a very calculated move. In comparison Trump can’t spell the word ‘foreign’ and no understanding of diplomacy despite being a ‘stable genius’. The Chinese will play him for as long as they need to and then leave him wondering why he didn’t get a result he was after and without a clue as to how and why this happened

【回复】中国人拥有两千多年与多个国家和领导人打交道的外交和外交政策经验。他们的每一个决策都是经过深思熟虑的。相比之下，特朗普连“外交”这个词都不会拼写，尽管他自称为“稳定的天才”，却对外交毫无理解。中国人会根据需要与他周旋，最终让他既得不到想要的结果，又完全搞不清状况。

John Finch
You hit the nail on the head. Bluster seldom wins.

【回复】你一针见血了。虚张声势很少能赢。
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Kristan Overstreet
President Trump believes that the only acceptable reaction to anything he does is to surrender absolutely to him. He will claim that any other response is stupid, evil, misguided, whatever, because it doesn’t benefit him.

【回答】
特朗普总统认为，唯一可以接受的回应就是完全屈服于他。他会声称任何其他反应都是愚蠢、邪恶、被误导的，因为这些反应对他没有好处。

Papa Mike
What that means is, China did not play his game. Trump expected China to capitulate, to give in and come grovelling to him for forgiveness and lower tariffs in exchange for China dropping tariffs. But the Chinese are clever. They have people who understand economics and power, and they are in a position to stand firm. Look around at anything at home. Much of it was made in China or has parts that were made in China. The US needs China more than China needs the US. The Chinese understand this. Trump does not.

【回答】
这意味着，中国没有按他的套路出牌。特朗普原以为中国会屈服低头，会卑躬屈膝地乞求他降低关税。但中国人很聪明。他们有懂得经济和权力的人，有能力坚守立场。看看家里的任何东西。其中很多都是中国制造的，或者有零件来自中国制造。美国需要中国多于中国需要美国。中国人明白这点，而特朗普不明白。

Rapah1 B.Mech Engg & B.Economic. Now a Bio Entrepreneur
“….China played it wrong, …” Hey, Mr Trump and MEGA lunatics, I don't think China is “playing” with this issues.
China is serious over the well-being of it's people. Mr.Trump and MEGA lunatics are playing around with the lives of ordinary Americans.
As China spokesman stated: whatever wars Mr. Trump wants, just bring it on. Be it hot, cold, tech, trade etc etc etc (including nuclear war).
China is ready to retaliate in kind.
No more “playing” Trumpish children games.

【回答】机械工程及经济学学士，现为生物企业家
“...中国玩脱了...”嘿，特朗普先生和MEGA疯子们，我不认为中国在这个问题上只是“玩”。
中国对本国人民的福祉是认真的。特朗普先生和 MEGA 疯子正在拿普通美国人的生命开玩笑。
正如中国发言人所说：无论特朗普先生想要什么样的战争，尽管来吧。不论是热战、冷战、科技战、贸易战等等（包括核战争）。
中国已经做好了以牙还牙的准备。
不再“玩”特朗普式的幼稚游戏。

Stanley Mok In Canada
Translation: This is not what I expected, they don't follow my scrpt, should I panick? How can we afford the impact of a 34% tariff? What else can I do?

【回答】住在加拿大
翻译：这和我预想的不一样啊，他们没有按照我的剧本来，我应该恐慌吗？我们怎么承受 34% 关税的影响？我还能做什么？