[2025-03-31]Youtube评论区：特朗普宣布由波音公司生产美第六代战机F-47

@dgang139
The American F-47 actually blatantly copied the canard wing design of the Chinese J20, hasn't the US‘s propaganda always said that the canard wing is not conducive to stealth? If the F-47 is defined as 6th gen, the Chinese J36, which has canceled the canard design, is 7th gen fighter jet. - UP: 8

美国F-47战机明显抄袭了中国歼20的鸭翼设计，美国不是一直宣传鸭翼不利于隐身吗？如果F-47算6代机，那取消鸭翼设计的中国J36就是7代机。

@bpg2025
The new F-Trump plane will have an integrated tanning bed and gold instruments but won’t be used in battle due to bone spurs on the landing gear. In the meantime, you can purchase your own gold plated, Trump signed scale model for only $10M each. Get yours now at any Tesler dealership that’s not currently on fire. - UP: 10

新的F-Trump飞机将配备内置的日光浴床和金色仪表，但由于起落架上有骨刺问题，无法用于战斗。同时，你可以在任何没有失火的特斯拉经销商处，以每架1000万美元的价格购买镀金、特朗普签名的比例模型。赶紧行动吧。

@Kevin-cm5kc
I know i shouldn't read into this too much but I notice that china actually flew two different demonstrator planes in public, twice now, while the US only shows an artists render of what they plan to make...
Also, didnt the NGAD programme recently get reviewed to see if there was a point in continuing with it at all? - UP: 5

我知道不应该过度解读，但我注意到中国实际上已经两次在公开场合展示了两架不同的验证机，而美国只展示了他们计划制造的艺术效果图…
另外，最近不是审查了NGAD项目，以确定是否有必要继续下去吗？

@t4w
It seems that the United States is in a hurry and is not willing to cross the road in the competition of the sixth generation aircraft.Ppt again, the American army will only fight against poor countries, and it has no courage to fight against big countries.F22 engine's push-to-weight ratio is faked and its technology is backward.A fragile piece of junk. - UP: 7

美国似乎很着急啊，不愿意在第六代战机的竞争中落后。又是PPT，美国军队只会和贫穷国家打仗，没胆量与大国对抗。F22发动机的推重比也是假的，技术落后，一堆脆弱的垃圾。

@grahamhireme9283
The contract was just awarded to Boeing and Boeing hasn’t sunk billions in R&D to be told the contract is going elsewhere. It’ll take years just to set up the plant to build it and it’s likely ten years before it’s seen at an air show. The Chinese have are into 10k per year production of a 1200 hp car which will retail at $75,000 The Chinese will be on 8/9 generation full autonomous space flight capable rocket planes. Well at least the orange bawbag saw the irony in calling it the trump - UP: 2

合同刚刚授予波音公司，而波音已经投入了数十亿美元用于研发，不可能让合同转给别人。仅仅建设生产工厂就需要数年时间，可能要十年后才能在航空展上看到它。中国已经在年产1万辆1200马力的汽车了，售价为75,000美元。到那时，中国都可能已经进入第八或第九代全自主太空飞行火箭飞机了。至少那个橙头意识到了将其命名为“特朗普”的讽刺。

@kenduffy5397
Yes, it was blatantly obvious to any moron who listened to President Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth that this is going to be fast-tracked because of China. China has been doing a lot of talking lately but we have never seen how China fights before the 20th century. We know they have a large army of course and I know nothing about their armored vehicles such as Tanks. I am a bit surprised that the Army hasn’t upgraded from our third-generation M1 Abrams. Now I know there’s been tremendous upgrades on all levels on the M1 Abrams and I’m guessing that our Army and Marine Corps have so many M1 Abrams. It’s much easier and cost-effective to just upgrade the M1 Abrams rather than creating a 4th generational Tank. As much as most people don’t want to admit it, but as of 2025? The Infantry and Armored Divisions are still the way to win a war. There will be a time when Robot soldiers will be on the battlefield, but as of 2025 we still need flesh and blood Infantry to go in and get their hands dirty by killing the enemy. No Infantry and no Armored Divisions means losing wars! - UP:

是的，任何听过特朗普总统和国防部长皮特·赫格塞斯讲话的人都能明显看出，由于中国的原因，这一进程将被快速推进。中国最近说了很多话，但在20世纪之前，我们从未见过中国是如何作战的。当然，我们知道他们有庞大的军队，但我对他们的装甲车辆，比如坦克，一无所知。
我有点惊讶我们军队还没有升级第三代M1艾布拉姆斯坦克。虽然我知道M1艾布拉姆斯坦克在各个层面都有了巨大的升级，我猜我们的陆军和海军陆战队有很多M1艾布拉姆斯坦克。升级现有的M1艾布拉姆斯坦克比创造第四代坦克更简单和经济。
尽管大多数人不愿承认这一点，但到了2025年，步兵和装甲师仍然是赢得战争的关键。战场上会有机器人士兵出现的那一天，但截至2025年，我们仍然需要血肉之躯的步兵亲自上阵，消灭敌人。没有步兵和装甲师就意味着输掉战争！

@USA-CIA-NED_ProxyDeathSquadOps
meanwhile, USA's "stealth" technology is already antiquated, where its RAM surfaces are concerned, too ablative (wear out under excessive heat due to air friction), fairweather only (doesn't like rain or seasalt spray: regular hangar queens), an expensive maintenance headache, restricted to minimal Mach speed dashes, restricted to limited afterburner use, when fleeing a scene, etc
it wears out, peels, cracks, flakes, and even corrodes (like rust)
even most weather radars, with appropriate software upgrades, can detect USA's military stealth aircraft location, even when they have their reflective Luneberg lens removed/retracted
recently, China's latest J-20 and J-35 (and hypersonic missiles, hypersonic suborbital spacecraft) have far more advanced durable non-ablative heat-resistant heat-dissipating body and wing surfaces that can better scatter radar reflections across a much wider EMF spectrum, made of lightweight high-strength stable ultra-fine silk-like weaved stainless steel alloy thread layer, that stay cooler during supersonic speeds (or hypersonic speeds for faster platforms)
this is already deployed by China
and no one else has the technical know-how to manufacture such an advanced EMF scattering surface, except China
not even USA's fake "reverse engineered" fake "space or interdimension alien" technology, comes close!
enjoy the future now
it's already here! - UP: 4

与此同时，美国的“隐形”技术已经过时，特别是在雷达吸波材料方面，由于空气摩擦产生的过热，这些材料容易磨损，只适用于晴天，不耐雨水和海盐喷雾，因此常需在机库进行维护，维护成本高得头疼。限制在最低马赫速度冲刺、限制使用加力燃烧器、仅用于逃离现场时，等等。
磨损、剥落、开裂、脱皮，甚至腐蚀（类似生锈）。
即使在卸下或收回反射隆伯格透镜后，大多数天气雷达通过适当的软件升级，也可以探测到美国军用隐形飞机的位置。
最近，中国最新的歼-20和歼-35（还有高超音速导弹和亚轨道航天器）拥有更先进的耐用非烧蚀散热机身和机翼表面，可以更好地在更宽的电磁频谱上散射雷达反射。这些表面由轻质高强度稳定的超细丝状不锈钢合金纤维层制成，在超音速（或更快平台的高超音速）的飞行中保持较低温度。
这项技术已在中国部署了，除了中国，没有其他国家具备制造如此先进的电磁波散射表面的技术能力，即便是美国虚假的“逆向工程”，虚假的“太空/异次元外星人”技术也难以匹敌。享受未来吧，它已经到来！

@Evinthal84
In 2020 the US Airforce was on record saying they had been flying a prototype of this for a while. Want me to find you articles from then?
Chinese propaganda is SOOOOOOO reliable. That's why nothing China does EVER fails. Meanwhile the US tests their shit to the point of failure ON PURPOSE and admits when it fails in order to better thier equipment.
China is just another Russia claiming they have something that they don't. I'm going to laugh my ass off when the F-47 become the next F-15 Eagle in response to China's "6th generation" shit and it turns out the Chinesium is EXACTLY like the Foxbat was. - UP: 1

美国空军在2020年曾表示他们已经试飞这种原型机有一段时间了。需要我帮你找到当时的报道吗？
中国的宣传真是太可靠了，所以他们做的事情从来没有失败过。与此同时，美国故意在测试中让设备达到失效点，并在失败时坦诚承认，以便改进设备。中国就像另一个俄罗斯，总是声称拥有一些其实不存在的东西。当F-47成为下一个F-15鹰式战斗机，以回应中国所谓的“第六代”战斗机时，我会笑死的，结果证明中国的东西就像当年的米格-25一样。

@William-d9z
More like in 2040. It takes a long time to design and test fighter jets. Also This is "Boeing" and their products have been garbage like Max Jet. US military productions have been slow and expensive, and not including the fact that there is Chinese ban on rare earth minerals. These critical minerals are used in radars, missiles, and other components. The Chinese controls 90% of this stuff. - UP:

更像是2040年才能实现。设计和测试战斗机需要很长时间。而且这是波音公司，他们的产品一直不好，比如Max客机。美国的军事生产一直很慢且贵，而且还有中国对稀土矿物的禁令。这些关键矿物用于雷达、导弹和其他组件，而中国控制了90%的供应。

@MrOtistetrax
This “unveiling” smacks of the admin pushing to quickly have something to reveal because of China’s recent surprise. Particularly as it doesn’t actually reveal anything. The whole thing seems rushed to me. It’ll be hilarious if this turns out to be a disaster because they rushed it in order for Trump to have his “own” fighter to brag about. - UP: 3

这次“披露”给人一种“政府因为中国最近的突然行动而急于展示一些东西”的感觉，特别是因为它实际上并没有披露什么。整个事情看起来很仓促。如果他们为了特朗普能有自己的战斗机来炫耀而仓促行事，结果却变成一场灾难，那就太搞笑了。

@MrOtistetrax
sure. This isn’t exactly a reveal though, is it? A couple of photos/renderings that don’t even show 1/3 of the airframe and tell us nothing about the aircraft’s capabilities. I’m not questioning the existence of the vehicle, or its development. I’m just skeptical of the timing and motivation of the announcement, especially considering the number choice. - UP:

当然。不过这称不上是个真正的披露吧？几张照片或渲染图连机身三分之一都没展示，也没有透露飞机的性能。我并不是质疑这款飞机的存在或开发，只是对发布时间和发布动机感到怀疑，尤其是编号的选择。（译注：特朗普是美国的第47任总统）

@namsangi1231
the gap is narrowing, but the potential for r/d of the USA is not exactly decreasing. Americans will, for the foreseeable future, have the superior air capability. China is growing in power very quickly, but it is a matter a time before they end up like Japan and S Korea; stagnated but still powerful. - UP:

差距在缩小，但美国的研发潜力并没有明显下降。可以预见，美国在空中优势方面仍将保持领先。中国的实力增长很快，但最终可能会像日本和韩国一样，陷入停滞但仍然强大。

@troutymctrouttrout3809
I get it, you're one of those guys holding a gun and a Bible in front of an American flag. You think America is special where the rest of us think you're kind of a joke. But in all honesty you could never afford to make a jet like that if you don't sell it to others. Remember, that's why you were in India a few weeks ago tryna pit the F-35 against the Russian 5th gen. which kicks your butt. If you want to talk about a great U.S jet let's talk the Raptors. Or the B-2 bomber. Those are actually real and top shelf planes. No need to make stuff up to get an ego boost - UP:

我明白了，你就是那种在美国国旗下拿着枪和《圣经》的家伙。你认为美国很特别，而我们其他人觉得你有点可笑。但说实话，如果不卖给别人，你们永远无法负担得起制造那样的喷气机。记得你们几周前去印度，试图让F-35对抗俄罗斯的第五代战机，结果被虐得体无完肤。如果你想聊美国的优秀战机，我们可以聊聊猛禽战斗机或者B-2轰炸机。那些才是真正顶级的飞机。没必要编造东西来提升自尊心。

@kevbrown1867
@Evinthal84 After years of so called flying this 6th generation fighter unveiling would mean you would actually show the plane to the public .
That wasn’t done just a blurry drawing of a plane nothing else just the nose ?
No doubt they have been working years on 6 gen fighters but it was not funded for a year by Biden and I imagine the planes they talk about are scale models used for research into designs.
They are a long way to actually flying a real plane like the Chinese have done with 2 six gen planes .
This is just another stunt by Trump for attention even naming the plane F47 . - UP: 6

经过多年的所谓飞行，第六代战斗机的公开亮相，意味着你们会真正向公众展示这架飞机。但实际上并没有，只是展示了一幅模糊的画，还只有有机头？
毫无疑问，他们多年来一直在研究第六代战斗机，但拜登一年都没有拨款，我想他们所说的飞机是用于设计研究的比例模型。他们离像中国那样实际飞行两架第六代飞机还有很长的路要走。特朗普只是在借此吸引注意力，甚至还给飞机命名为F47。

@obo7707
I really hope Boeing gets back on track as far as quality control and efficiency issues-their KC tankers come to mind , not counting problems in their commercial jet division. Boeing has the ability to be a world class company again and in my opinion the more great defense companies the US has , the better. Competition brings out greatness - UP:

我真心希望波音能在质量控制和效率方面上重回正轨，他们的KC加油机让我印象深刻，更不用说在商用飞机部门的问题了。波音有能力再次成为世界一流公司，在我看来，美国拥有的优秀国防公司越多越好。竞争才能够激发卓越。

@gguerra375
 @obo7707  All companies have issues the media focuses on Boeing simply because of the MAX crashes. Please read the OFFICIAL report for the crashes of the MAX. The FBI raided the shop in Florida where corrupt Ethiopian airlines bought a used black-market part from the wrong plane a 737 NG and put it in their newest Max on their fleet and also the report states that all 4 pilots that crashed had 0 hrs. simulator training. And the ones that had some training landed one day before the same aircraft that crashed, even with the black-market part installed, with no issue. I'll bet you never heard this FACTS before. Please don't listen to the fake news, lawyers or politicians. - UP:

所有公司都有问题，媒体之所以关注波音，是因为MAX坠机事件。请阅读MAX坠机的官方报告。FBI突袭了佛罗里达的一家商店，腐败的埃塞俄比亚航空从那里购买了错误飞机737 NG的二手黑市零件，并将其安装在他们最新的Max飞机上。报告还指出，所有4名坠机的飞行员都没有接受过模拟器训练。而那些接受过一些训练的飞行员，即便在安装了黑市零件的情况下，也在坠机前一天成功降落了同一架飞机。我敢打赌你之前从未听过这些事实。请不要听信假新闻、律师或政客。

@clarkbutler
just a question, what happens when 2 planes cant see each other with radar from a distance,atleast not well enough to get a lock, wouldnt you have to wait until visual range, and dont mention the loyal wingman,thats a plane not capable above 400 mph, sitting ducks for full stealth aircraft - UP:

只是有个疑问，当两架飞机在远距离上无法通过雷达互相看到，至少无法很好地锁定对方时，是不是只能等到进入目视范围才能行动？还有，不要提“忠诚僚机”，那种飞机速度不超过400英里每小时，对完全隐形战机来说简直就是活靶子。

@williamfrench8184
Alright first of all, for everyone who's been saying that the inclusion of canards is indicative of some sort of 'hypocrisy' on the US' part, the provided images are simply an artist's rendering of a proposed design, and by taking it at face value, you are doing exactly what the US wants you to do. Furthermore, the incorporation of canards does not make it a 'copy' of the Chinese J-20, especially since China is hardly the first to employ them. Finally, suggesting that the F-47 is in some way a stolen design attempting to recreate that of the Chinese' J-36 and J-50 prototypes is simply laughable when technology regarding NGAD has been in the works for many years up until this point. And that begs the essential question: exactly which part of the Chinese' designs suggests that they are operating "6th-generation" fighters? - UP: 4

首先，对于那些声称鸭翼的加入表明美国某种“虚伪”的人来说，所提供的图片只是一个提议设计的艺术渲染图，你们把它当真，就中了美国的下怀。此外，加入鸭翼并不意味着这是“抄袭”中国的歼-20，特别是因为中国并不是第一个使用鸭翼的国家。最后，认为F-47在某种程度上是试图复制中国歼-36和歼-50原型机的盗版设计，就太可笑了，因为关于NGAD的技术已经研发多年了。
这就引出了一个关键问题：中国的设计中到底哪一部分表明他们是在操作“第六代”战斗机？

@crazykira1527
When white supremacists denigrate the J-20, they label its canard configuration as a copy of the F-22 and treat the adage 'the best place for a canard is on the enemy's aircraft' as gospel to downplay its RCS. Now, when a massive boomerang comes back, your desperate attempts to whitewash this situation are truly entertaining – it's all about 'winning' and 'America No 1'. - UP: 5

当白人至上主义者贬低歼-20时，他们称其鸭翼布局是对F-22的模仿，并将“鸭翼最好的位置是在敌机上”这句老话视为真理，以此来贬低其雷达散射截面积。现在，当一个巨大的回旋镖回来时，你们拼命洗地的样子真是让人发笑，一切都是关于“赢”和“美国第一”。

@williamfrench8184
 @crazykira1527  Calling me a 'White Supremacist' with no basis behind that claim is as infantile as it is completely unrelated. I've made no degrading remarks over the design philosophy of the J-20 and have merely stated that canards are in no way exclusive to Chinese airframes, therefore having no bearing on the originality of the F-47's design if it even incorporates them. But it's not like that matters, right? It's all about 'American Exceptionalism.' - UP:

无凭无据地称我为“白人至上主义者”既幼稚又毫无关系。我并没有对歼-20的设计理念发表过贬低的言论，只是指出鸭翼并非中国飞机独有，因此即使F-47采用了鸭翼设计，也不影响其原创性。但这似乎无关紧要吧？一切都是关于“美国例外论”。

@kirovfactory
China is so evil, that when they stole the design for the 5th gen fighter, at least they left a copy for the US. When they stole 2 designs for the 6th gen fighter J36 and J50, they didn't even leave a copy for the US. So that China is actually enjoying over 20 years of hard work by the US and here is US having to do it again from scratch! No wonder China is the prime EVIL! - UP: 2

中国太邪恶了，当他们偷走第五代战斗机的设计时，至少给美国留了一份副本。但当他们偷走第六代战斗机J36和J50的设计时，却没有给美国留下任何副本。所以，中国实际上享受到了美国二十多年的辛勤成果，而美国却不得不从头再来！难怪中国是最邪恶的！

@mikslids7083
The next generation of warfare is bound to be a competition of AI technology. Missiles, fighter jets, drones, warships, submarines, torpedoes, and low-earth orbit satellite weapons will all rely on advanced AI chip systems capable of analyzing, making decisions, deceiving opponents, and continuously locking onto attack targets at super speeds. These systems boast processing power equivalent to decoding and re-encoding 1 million 4K high-definition videos per second. Undoubtedly, Taiwan, a powerhouse in manufacturing such advanced AI chip systems, and the United States, a leader in AI technology development and application, will emerge as the victors in this type of warfare. - UP: 4

下一代战争必然是AI技术的比拼。导弹、战斗机、无人机、军舰、潜艇、鱼雷和低轨道卫星武器都将依赖于先进的AI芯片系统，这些系统能够以超高速分析、决策、欺骗对手并持续锁定攻击目标。这些系统的处理能力相当于每秒解码和重新编码100万部4K高清影片。毫无疑问，台湾作为制造此类先进AI芯片系统的强者，以及美国作为AI技术开发应用的领头羊，将成为这类战争的赢家。

@RadiantCataclysm
I wonder if they will actually include canards, if they do, I would be very surprised. If they do include them, I wonder if they either figured out a way to make them unnoticeable on radar, or if they had as bad of effects as were previously claimed. Personally, I don’t think that there will be canards on it. But I could be very wrong. - UP:

我想知道他们是否真的会在设计中加入鸭翼，如果他们这样做，我会很惊讶的。如果他们真的使用了，我想知道他们是不是找到了让鸭翼在雷达上难以察觉的方法，或者这些影响没有之前所说的那么严重。就我个人而言，我认为这款战机上不会有鸭翼，但也可能我完全错了。

@stannislas
@RadiantCataclysm lol, no offence to you, but what you just said sounds like the US has some magic to bend the laws of physical and comes up with something that the Europeans and Chinese couldn't figure out for like 30+ years. If this is the case, US doesn't need NGAD at all to beat its targeted enermy - UP:

哈哈，没有冒犯的意思，但你刚才说的话听起来好像美国有某种魔力，可以打破物理定律，搞出欧洲和中国30多年都没搞明白的东西。如果真是这样，美国根本不需要NGAD来打败它的目标敌人。

@USA-CIA-NED_ProxyDeathSquadOps
F-47 will not be as stealthy if its flight ceiling isn't high, where it can readily be detected by much higher positioned ISR Reconnaissance Platforms, able to read the F-47 radar reflections from being exposed to higher placed LEO Satellite EMF transmissions, like USA's SpaceX's StarLink (or future StarShield)
China already has effective EMF Detection of LEO Satellite EMF transmissions reflecting off of current USA Stealth aircraft, like F-22, F-35, B-2 (and very likely, future B21, or any future F-47)
USA style stealth aircraft are not as stealthy as purported, given at other critical "look-down" EMF signature reflections, can giveaway the location of such stealth aircraft intend only to be less detected by "look-up" EMF signature reflections, bouncing off them, after being illuminated by LEO Satellite EMF telecommunications radio signal transmissions - UP: 2

如果F-47的飞行高度不够高，它的隐身效果就会减弱，因为它很容易被更高位置的ISR侦察平台检测到。这些平台可以通过低地轨道卫星的电磁场传输读取F-47的雷达反射信号，比如美国的SpaceX的StarLink（或未来的StarShield）。
中国已经能够有效地检测美国现有隐形飞机，如F-22、F-35、B-2（以及很可能是未来的B21或任何未来的F-47）所反射的低轨道卫星电磁场传输信号。
美国风格的隐形飞机没有声称的那么隐身，因为在其他关键的“俯视”电磁场信号反射中，这些隐形飞机的位置可能会暴露出来。这些飞机的设计初衷是减少被“仰视”电磁场信号反射检测的可能性。

@billwhite1603
F-47 is so off pudding even if it was chosen to build up to Trump's ego. That's because the P-47 is still commonly mentioned or heard. There are any number of numbers that were not as well known. F-45, F-49, F-50, F-52 that would not blur with very famous historical aircraft. - UP: 3

F-47这个名字很不合适，即使它是为了迎合特朗普的自尊心。因为P-47仍然经常被提到或听到。还有很多不那么知名的编号，比如F-45、F-49、F-50、F-52，它们不会和非常著名的历史飞机混淆。

@Nehockeyplayer
CHINA DOES NOT HAVE A 6TH GEN FIGHTER THEY CANT EVEN MAKE AN WORKING ENGINE FOR THEYRE SUPPOSIDE 5TH GEN!!!SO therefore China doesn't even have a 5th GEN fighter or bomber AT ALL,CHINA ONLY HAS 4TH GEN 4.5 ACTUALLY comparable to the French Dassult Rafale a 4.5 or f15 EX too. China is so far behind the West it's crazy. All China has is propaganda and the CCP parties ideology NOTHING MORE and some nukes they will never get the chance to use. PATHETIC CHINESE CCP...PATHETIC. American air dominance will destroy the ccp and finally free the Chinese people 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 - UP: 6

中国没有第六代战斗机，他们甚至无法制造出适用于所谓第五代战斗机的引擎！所以，中国根本没有真正的第五代战斗机或轰炸机。中国只有第四代战斗机，实际上是4.5代，类似于法国的阵风4.5代或者F15 EX。中国远远落后于西方。中国只有宣传和中共的意识形态，以及一些他们永远没有机会使用的核武器。可悲的中共… 美国的空中优势将摧毁中共，最终解放被束缚的中国人民。

@FlyingBuzzard
NO ONE Knows what the F 47 is like, it's appearance or it's capabilities , NO ONE , because it is Boeing and Boeing has issues to resolve and designing and building a Fighter stealth aircraft far superior to everything else will be a challenge I do not foresee them making it anytime soon and unless it is done before Trumps term is over It will never happen !!! - UP: 1

没有人知道F-47是什么样子，它的外观或性能，没有人知道。因为这是波音的项目，而波音还有许多问题需要解决。设计和制造一架远超其他飞机的隐形战斗机将是一个挑战，我不认为他们能短时间内完成。除非在特朗普任期结束前完成，否则永远不会实现！

@kida9195
I’m just excited to see how far the technology has gone. The J-36’s engines are incredibly exciting, especially if it is true that they can reach Mach 16 (dubious given the source, I know…). Apparently the F-47 will replace pilot with AI but keep the weapons officer. Such an interesting concept. This may also not be NGAD. Just simply the F/A-XX program. NGAD may still be a work in progress. If you look at the F/A-XX concept, it has canards. While NGAD is purely diamond shaped. And in China we saw both the J-36 and the J-50. So presumably, we have two programs as well.
Trump made mention of Mach 2. Could be strictly due to the carrier variant. Smaller frame, engines, delta wing. Similar to the F-35. While the NGAD may be something entirely different. We’ll see, all very exciting stuff for aviation! - UP: 1

我很期待看到技术的发展程度。J-36的发动机非常让人兴奋，尤其听说它们能达到16马赫（虽然消息来源存疑）。据说F-47会用AI替代飞行员，但保留武器官，这是个很有趣的概念。这可能也不是NGAD项目，只是简单的F/A-XX项目。NGAD可能还在开发中。如果你看F/A-XX的概念，它有鸭翼，而NGAD则是纯菱形设计。我们看到了中国的J-36和J-50，所以我们可能也有两个项目。
特朗普提到了2马赫，这可能仅限于航母型号。较小的机身、发动机、三角翼，类似于F-35，而NGAD可能完全不同。我们拭目以待，对航空业来说，这一切都非常令人兴奋！！

@merrick6484
China has two production line for J-20, and another two lines for J-35 (for exports markets and carrier fleet).
Currently Chinese produced a J-20 every three days.
Let along 6th gen J-36 and J-50.
Time is an essence, and quantity has quality of its own. US is hard to catch up. - UP: 1

中国有两条J-20的生产线，还有两条J-35的生产线（用于出口市场和航母舰队）。目前，中国每三天就能生产一架J-20，更不用说第六代的J-36和J-50了。时间至关重要，数量本身就是一种质量。美国很难追赶上。

@JMAC479
Regarding time frame. We know that there have been $8B invested into the NGAD program which has resulted in flying prototypes beginning 5 years ago. The NGAD got approval for $25B this fiscal year. The factory has already been purchased and assembled and machines in place. These will be a modular design enabling fast and economic production. I bet they have a few production models in the air within 2 years. - UP: 1

关于时间框架。我们知道，NGAD项目已经投入了80亿美元，5年前已经开始试飞原型机。该项目在本财年获得了250亿美元的批准。工厂已经购置并安装完毕，设备也已到位。这些将采用模块化设计，能够快速且经济地生产。我打赌在两年内会有几架量产机型升空。

@danthesquirrel
There always needs to be more advanced weapons in the pipeline but China has effectively announced it is taking Taiwan in 2027 which is substantially sooner than 2034. Trump's response? Distance ourselves from NATO, abandon Ukraine to Russia and shred whatever good will and trust our other allies had in us. Trump also wants big cuts in our military budget which suggests he plans on doing to Taiwan what he just did to Ukraine. Before that invasion is Trump planning on building microchip manufacturing plants (that we need for all of our technology to work) in the US and giving some Taiwanese people a place to evacuate to? Nope. At first I was sort of excited that somebody would finally be doing something to stop the Woke hate movement and stop illegal immigrants but Trump is proving to be such a dangerous failure in everything else that even someone as pathetic as Harris would have been preferable. Edit: I just realized the company trusted to make these things is Boeing. A trillion dollars later America is going to be without 6th generation fighters and years behind China in air power. - UP: 3

虽然需要开发更先进的武器，但中国已经明确宣布将在2027年拿下台湾，这比2034年要早得多。特朗普的回应是什么？与北约保持距离，把乌克兰拱手让给俄罗斯，并摧毁我们在其他盟友中积累的信任。特朗普还想大幅削减我们的军费预算，这表明他计划对台湾采取与对乌克兰相同的做法。在那次入侵到来之前，特朗普有没有计划在美国建立制造微芯片的工厂（这些芯片是我们所有技术正常运转所需的），并为部分台湾人提供撤离的地方？没有。
起初，我对有人终于要采取行动阻止觉醒仇恨运动和非法移民感到有些兴奋，但特朗普在其他方面表现得太危险且失败，以至于即便是像哈里斯这样的人似乎都更好了。
编辑：我刚意识到被委托制造这些飞机的公司是波音。花费数万亿美元后，美国也不会有第六代战机，然后在空中力量上落后中国多年。

@rs2024-s4u
Been a tough few years I think all engineering development companies have an object lesson in Boeing of why it's a bad idea to install a bean counter as CEO of a major engineering/aircraft company!! The B52 will be flying combat for over 100 years when it finally retires The 747 has been in production since 1969 56 years Airbus got a ways to go before the 380 equals that. - UP:

过去几年很艰难，我认为所有工程开发公司都应该从波音那里吸取教训，不要让一个只关心财务的人当大型工程/航空公司的CEO！B52轰炸机在退役时将会服役超过100年，而747自1969年投产至今已有56年。空客A380要达到这样的成就还有很长的路要走。

@SteveKaye-yl7te
Wars are not fought on paper, it’s obvious way too many get caught up in this, the American military has Ben fighting basically non stop in some capacity for Over 2 decades. Having a highly experienced amount of pilots. Supported by their maintenance and supporr crews is vital remember the F-15 is still undefeated I. Their air while shooting down 120 And change - UP: 3

战争不是纸上谈兵，显然很多人被困在这个误区。美国军队在过去的二十多年里基本上一直在作战，拥有大量经验丰富的飞行员。他们的维护和支持团队至关重要，记住F-15战机在空战中仍然保持不败，击落了120架敌机。

@jt-vj4sl
Must be big kick back to Trump meme coin. Boeing as a fighter aircraft company? The F16 and F15 were not Boeing developed planes. They were from McDonald Douglas and General Dynamics respectively. Boeing lately could not get their commercial planes in the air safely, let alone 6 Gen air dominance aircraft. - UP: 2

肯定是特朗普模因币的大回扣。波音是战斗机公司吗？F16和F15并不是波音开发的飞机，它们分别来自麦克唐纳·道格拉斯和通用动力公司。波音最近连商用飞机的安全都成问题，更不用说第六代空中优势战机了。

@qsy19
So~~~~
Why is it called F47? Because Trump is now the 47th President of the United States.
Why is it a picture? Because it hasn't started making yet.
Why was it a "test flight" five years ago? Because five years ago was during Trump's presidency, we had to skip Biden's time in the middle. - UP: 10

所以~~~
为什么叫F47呢？因为特朗普现在是美国第47任总统。
为什么是图片呢？因为还没开始制造。
为什么五年前是“试飞”呢？因为五年前是在特朗普任期内，我们需要跳过中间拜登的任期时间。

@jackjackerman4501
The so called j-36 is more closely compared to what the Air Force wanted at first. And that was something between a fighter jet and a bomber with much more range. But the Air Force changed there minds.When they discovered if you go anywhere near as big as the J-36.Evan with Americas edge on stealth.The radar returns become way to large.And are not worth the range.Because because it will simply get shot down way quicker.So the U.S.A.s smaller 6th gen would definitely shoot that J36 out the sky before it ever knew it was in a fight.And than If you include the edge America has with them using home grown 3rd generation and possibly higher AESA. Radar in Chinese making copies of American second. Yes china has far surpassed Russian military tech. But they still aren’t that good at innovating because most they’re good tech is just American rip off. You can’t be serious. - UP:

所谓的歼-36更符合空军最初的要求，即介于战斗机和轰炸机之间，并且具备更长的航程。但空军改变了主意，因为他们发现如果飞机体型达到歼-36那样大，即便美国在隐身技术上有优势，雷达反射信号也会过大，航程的优势反而不值一提，因为这样的大型飞机很容易被击落。
所以，美国较小的第六代战机可以在歼-36还未察觉之前将其击落。此外，美国在使用自研第三代甚至更先进的AESA雷达上也有优势，而中国只是复制了美国的第二代技术。是的，中国的军事技术已经远超俄罗斯，但他们仍然不擅长创新，他们的大多数先进技术只是对美国技术的模仿。你不能当真。

@SKV-q5l
The US government efficiency department led by Elon Musk, while "auditing," unexpectedly discovered that the F-22 stealth fighter jet, which the U.S. military prides itself on, has a standard thrust-to-weight ratio of only 5.7 for its F-119 turbofan engine, and an afterburner thrust-to-weight ratio of just 7.1! It is important to note that the U.S. had previously claimed in public documents that the thrust-to-weight ratio of the F-119 was above 10. Although there were early doubts about the actual performance of the F-119, it was generally believed that the engine's thrust-to-weight ratio ranged between 8 and 9. The numbers exposed this time have shocked everyone—so this is the so-called world-class F-22 fighter jet?
Therefore, it can be seen that if the U.S.'s new fighter jet has such a small airframe, the two American engines simply cannot provide enough power, nor can they generate sufficient electrical power to support future intelligent warfare. In contrast, the J-36 has more powerful engines(WS-15), radar, and missiles, and with China's top-tier stealth capabilities in fighter jets, it can completely defeat American aircraft. China has the world's largest wind tunnel and different types of stealth drones, which can help the J-36 develop top-notch stealth performance. - UP:

由埃隆·马斯克领导的美国政府效率部门在“审计”时意外发现，美国军方引以为傲的F-22隐形战斗机，其F-119涡扇发动机的标准推重比仅为5.7，加力推重比仅为7.1！需要注意的是，美国此前在公开文件中声称F-119的推重比在10以上。尽管早期对F-119的实际性能有所怀疑，但普遍认为该发动机的推重比在8到9之间。这次曝光的数字让所有人震惊——这就是所谓的世界级F-22战斗机吗？
由此可见，如果美国的新型战斗机机体这么小巧，这两台美国发动机根本无法提供足够的动力，也无法产生足够的电力来支持未来的智能化战争。相比之下，歼-36配备了更强大的发动机（WS-15）、雷达和导弹，加上中国在战斗机隐身能力上的顶尖技术，完全可以击败美国的飞机。中国拥有世界最大的风洞和各种类型的隐形无人机，可以帮助歼-36开发出顶级的隐身性能。

@cheetosjumboenjoyer6833
I hate how the US has seemingly just thrown the designation sequence out the window. First the F-35, then the B-21, and now this. Also, there already is an F-47. In 1948 when all the P-'s got turned to F-'s, the P-47 was briefly called the F-47 until its retirement in 1951. So it's especially stupid that one of the reasons they gave was "Honoring the legacy of the P-47", when the P-47 already used the designation. - UP: 4

我讨厌美国似乎把命名顺序完全抛到脑后了。先是F-35，然后是B-21，现在又来这个。而且，已经有F-47这个型号了。1948年，所有P-型号变成F-型号时，P-47短暂地被称为F-47，直到1951年退役。所以，他们给出的一个理由是“纪念P-47的遗产”，很傻逼的理由，P-47已经用过这个编号了。

@thomasmelvin1333
But i will say, just from the looks of this, it does not appear to have the same radar trap as what the j20 has. If you look at the j20 its canards do slant upward, but if you see the fuselage/intakes meet the canards and send a radar return. The f47 does not appear yo provide such angles from the very limited view we get to see. - UP:

不过我想说，就外观而言，这款看起来并没有像歼20那样的雷达陷阱。如果你看歼20，它的鸭翼是向上倾斜的，但机身/进气口与鸭翼相接处会产生雷达反射。而从我们能看到的有限画面来看，F47似乎没有这样的倾斜角。

@REDVETTExxx
Your a idiot if u dont think its real. It has been flying for years now. And this i know FOR A FACT :). The public will see it fly in July. So instead of u just being all negative because u dont like trump.. why dont u actuallly pull for America and be happy we have this bird coming online soon... the chinese are on our heels. Well.. not when this bad boy hits the skies. We leap frog again ahead of the world by..~20 years :) - UP: 3

如果你不相信这飞机是真的，那你就是个白痴了。它已经飞行很多年，我知道这是事实 :)。民众将在七月份看到它的飞行。所以，与其因为不喜欢特朗普而消极，不如支持美国，为我们即将上线的飞机感到高兴... 中国人正在追赶我们，但等这个厉害的家伙一上天，情况就不一样了，我们将再次领先世界20年 :)

@domokun845
They literally flew two in Dec of last year...development must have taken just as long right which means they still beat us to the punch.
This thing is still on a powerpoint and the one that flew was supposedly from lockheed, so what now? - UP:

他们去年12月就已经试飞了两架… 这意味着他们的研发时间肯定也一样长，也就是说他们确实比我们抢先一步。
而我们这东西目前还停留在PPT中，而且试飞的那一架据说是洛克希德的，现在怎么办？

@crimsonliu3527
"We've traveled through time. Let's ask the locals what era this is:
'One major power has two types of next-generation stealth fighter jets. The larger one has one more engine than the smaller one.'
'And another major power just unveiled its own next-generation stealth fighter, featuring a canard design.'
Got it, it's 2011." - UP: 2

我们穿越了时间。让我们问问当地人这是哪个年代：
“一个大国拥有两种类型的下一代隐形战斗机，其中较大的比较小的多一个引擎。”
“另一个大国刚刚发布了自己的下一代隐形战斗机，采用鸭翼设计。”
明白了，这是2011年。

@PulverizerA
Boeing can't even make civilian passenger jets that are safe. They're so far behind on the new Air Force One, that Trump was talking about cancelling it, buying a 747 and converting it themselves. Yet, they're going to somehow build a new fantastical 6th gen fighter jet. I'll believe it when I see it and artist's renderings don't count. :P - UP: 7

波音连安全的民用客机都造不出来，新空军一号的进度落后到特朗普都考虑取消订单了，自己买架747进行改装。然而，他们竟然说要制造新的第六代战斗机。等我亲眼所见再信吧，艺术效果图不算数。:P

@MrBrainhole
It's so funny, the Chinese 6th generation aircraft is flying in the sky, and the American 6th generation aircraft is on the display board. Flying a technology verification aircraft is so troublesome, the Chinese prototype has already been launched, and the American prototype will take several years. I don't know what the climax is when looking at the CG picture? - UP: 5

太搞笑了，中国的六代机已经在天上飞，而美国的六代机还停留在展示板上。飞个验证机都这么麻烦，中国的原型机早就上天了，美国的原型机还要好几年。我不明白看这CG图有什么好高潮的？

@hellothere1656
Looking at how many j20s China has already built, they very much do have the capacity to build a large number of j36 and j50. China doesnt spend so much on foregn military bases or waging an endless war in the middle east, or giving $100bn to a genocidal regime. So China can very much afford mass producing two 6th gen fighters and not have to worry about their aerospace going all corrupt mode and charging $100 for some $3 screws the way it's done in the US. - UP: 1

考虑到中国已经建造了这么多的歼20，他们确实有能力大量生产歼36和歼50。中国不需要在海外军事基地花费巨资，或者在中东无休止的战争，或者向某个种族灭绝政权提供1000亿美元，所以完全有能力批量生产两种第六代战斗机，并且不必担心航空航天领域会像美国那样腐败，把3美元的螺丝卖到100美元。