The western media accuses China of being the biggest polluter. When provided the fact that China has the highest population, they accuse China of overpopulation. When China reduces population using one child policy, they call it a human rights violation. When China lifts the one child policy, they pretend it never happened. When China became the world’s biggest producer of solar, wind and hydroelectric energy, they don’t say anything bullshit. When China is smoggy, they take photos and call the country a dystopia. When the government started climate protection in 2016 and the air quality in big cities improved a lot, western media is silent. I call bullshit.
Western media in general is shit
MainStream Media has been sold out in almost every 'democratic' country. r/AntiMSM r/MSMFakenews
Also they discount the fact that the west already went through heavy industrialization so they already got their heavier polluting days behind them. When the others try to catch up, all of a sudden the west feels the need to police Asia. 🙄
Agreed. The world record for heaviest air pollution was in London in the 1950s. People were told not to open their windows. But they didn’t have any more developed countries to chide them for it.
You know thats the rock and hard place alot of Asian Males feel on a personal level in the West. It's not us that is the problem usually, it's that we rarely get the benefit of the doubt. Act nerdy and just plow through your work assignments and be an overachiever in general, oh just a typical Asian all work no fun to be around. Be assertive and outgoing? then we are "trying too hard", being a "confrontational asshole", and we should "know our place".
No matter what China does it's a problem, no matter what we do it's a problem.
Don't you know, the per capita metric only applies to things such as the statistics that 13% of blacks make up 90% of violent crimes, number of illegal Hispanics/Latinos, etc. About that graph, China's the world's biggest manufacturer exporter so I'm actually surprised they're not on top. Basically this shows you Murica is full of shit. There's not much manufacturing left in the states but the polutting is insane.
难道你不知道，人均计量标准只适用于例如13% 的黑人构成了90% 的暴力犯罪，非法的西班牙人 / 拉丁美洲人的数量，等等。关于这个图表，中国是世界上最大的制造业出口国，所以我很惊讶他们居然没有在榜首。基本上，这表明美国就是个粪坑。美国已经没有多少制造业了，但还存在这种污染，简直疯了。
One also wonders how much of the emissions in Germany, South Korea, China, and the Arab countries are from industrial activities for American consumption.
Exactly. Almost no media points that out. I like to follow science channels on YouTube, and seeker did point that out in one of its videos.Reporting should be cold hard facts, and if you have an opinion, clearly state its an opinion.
Yes, when looked at from the more correct stance of not only domestic pollution, but includes pollution of manufacturing products it consumes regardless where those products are made (and should include the huge pollution of related container ships), the US would likely be double or more what this chart shows.
The US is the world's number 1 polluter and is responsible for damaging our shared planet more than any other country!!!
the per capita metric only applies to things such as the statistics
Despite being less than 1% of the population, white males commit 33% of the rapes in South Korea.
Supposedly it was more than 33%.
The West blames global warming on China eating meat. Just think about that for a moment.
Also the fascination with guns too
All that talk about the 2nd amendment to prevent tyranny is what they believe so it makes them feel better. I mean, I'm pro gun, but why the fuck do you need a whole armory for? They're using the 2nd amendment so they can have their little hobby. It gives easier access for them to shoot up schools.
USA has powerful car lobbyists and oil lobbyists who have been blocking high speed rails and public transport infrastructure from being built. Meanwhile China built the world's largest high speed rail network within 10 years.
Good luck finding an article on that. It's washed away in the endless sea of articles about XXX etc.
someone please post in r/China. they banned me temporarily. they hate China over there.
Global warming isn't a problem that emerged overnight, or even over a decade or two. The carbon in the atmosphere today that's causing global warming is largely from western sources over the past hundred+ years of pollution. It was recognized as a problem more than 60 years ago, in fact, every single president since JFK has had addressed climate change in one form or another. At that point in time China had not even industrialized, with over 80 percent of the population doing agricultural work. Meanwhile, the financial and technological resources already existed in the west, but everyone just chose to live it up rather than do anything about it.
John F. Kennedy was warned about "climate control" in February 1961, becoming perhaps the first American president to learn about people's impact on planetary temperatures.
The warnings never stopped. Every president since then has been exposed to similar scientific findings. Sometimes it was called "climatic change," other times it was "air pollution."
The history of cautionary messages with the West Wing is documented in hundreds of records submitted in Juliana v. United States, a court case against the federal government. The files show an arc of steadily improving climate science and a clearer picture of damages, even as presidents diverged on how to address the problem.
How could US not produce more CO2 than China or India, we use more oil and natural gas than them. Frankly we are exporting the stuff out to other countries for sale.
Per capita, US uses a shit ton of oil since everyone drives an SUV or pickup truck. India uses very little oil since no own owns a car. China is somewhere in between.
按人均计算，美国人均耗油量是一吨，因为每个人都有一辆 SUV 或小货车。印度使用很少的石油，因为没有属于自己的汽车。中国介于两者之间。
“But... but... brown and yellow man bad!”
“但是... 但是... 棕色皮肤和黄色皮肤的人是坏人! ”
China spends 3x as much as the US in green energy R&D and investments
I didn't mention China or India.
Any arbitrary grouping of 1 billion people will consume more than a billionaire. Thus by your logic any one billionaire have less responsibility than the arbitrary poorest billion.
But ok, fine, you say Chinese should have more regulations, Chinese business should emit less. Ok, even if they emit less, there's more people and more businesses, so it isn't enough. In fact, China is a leader in green technology, yet by your logic, Saudi Arabia and Qatar must be super green since they have less total emissions. African countries reliant on oil like Angola and Nigeria are also super green, by your logic. After all, you said, only total emissions matter, right?
Even if we do absolutely nothing and just breathe for a minute we are still going to produce much more CO2 than countries of smaller populations. If anything consumption should be a human right and those Americans are not entitled to consume any more than other people. It’s funny for them to consume so much and still pointing fingers.
Though... what the hell is Qatar doing to generate so much?
Big Oil & Gas industry with a tiny human population
According to this data the avg American should suck it up and pollute less, not China
huh? US is one of the biggest polluters per capita. just because manufacturing is dying in america doesn't mean the country as a whole is doing the right thing. they aren't. they need to be RAPIDLY moving towards nuclear with other green energies to supplement.
China is literally the world's factory, making everything for the rest of the world to use. The USA and other western countries basically outsourced their carbon emissions to China when they sent all the manufacturing over there. A huge part of their carbon emissions is because of western consumption, just like Qatar's emissions come from oil refineries that output for the rest of the world's use. So yeah, per-capita doesn't tell the whole story because the average Chinese citizen actually pollutes less than the numbers based on their consumption while the average American citizen actually pollutes more than the per-capita figure because they get to consume all the goods that are created in Chinese factories.
And what do those factories, transportation, and farming industries exist for? PEOPLE. People demand the factories, the transportation, the farming industries. Populations matter, and as does where those factories are located. If you locate all your global factories in China, then count the carbon against the population, then export all the goods produced in those factories to western countries' POPULATIONS for consumption, what is happening? That output counts against the people in China on a per-capita basis, while the consumption is for the people in the west and doesn't count against them. So yeah, per-capita doesn't tell the whole story because it's actually favorably biased to the west and unfavorably biased to China where all the factories are located.
So Indian poor people need to pollute less because their country is huge? Are their bicycles and ox-carts emitting too much CO2?
Yup, gotta reduce quality of life for poor developing nations instead of countries that can easily do it and are well-off.
Obviously all countries have to watch their emissions
China has what, 4-5 times the population and is not even doubling the total emissions from the US is a key point
Historically, the US has been the biggest culprit of emissions from 1990 to 2015 and has been the biggest contributer to global warming so far.
Just have to watch what China does from here on, they've already promised to further reduce emissions and they've already taken up some of their word since 2015
If you want to consider overrall values, then China's economy is number one. India also comes in 2nd or 3rd. Does this mean that China is the richest country? No it doesn't. Thats why per capita values are important.
Looking at overall makes less sense than looking at per-capita. You could arbitrarily divide China into a bunch of smaller countries of 327million (the population of USA) and then see that on a "per country basis" they pollute far less.
Ultimately it boils down to this:
Every single human being has the same right to live on this planet as any other, and we should have the shared responsibility and burden on taking care of the environment as well. Every American that tries to point fingers while justifying their own gluttonous western lifestyle is basically saying "I'm entitled to more of this planet than those people on the other side of the planet."
Oh right, and you seriously believe China is accurately reporting its emissions to the outside world? Ever been there?
I’m not one to pin the blame in China by default, but you’d be absurd to believe they weren’t a major contributor.
it's accurate. can also easily be verified by third parties. also when I think China I don't think lying. I think America. IMO no country is better at statistical manipulation than the US. Look into how inflation and unemployment is calculated. Here are some key words to search: labor force participation, hedonics, substition, weighting.
in the mind of a hater, any news that comes from china is fake. good news is not that good, bad news is actually worse.
This sub has really great potential to be about Asian identities, excellence, struggles and more. But instead it's whatever this post is
Lots of mad angry racist incels lol
lots of mad angry racist whiteys on this sub.
that means this sub is doing well
Per capital in this instance is not as good as total emissions. A highly developed country like America might have a higher per capita but lower total emissions than say India.
Maybe because bigger countries have more humans emitting CO2?
Yes, every country does, I know. But when your population has to wear surgical masks just to breathe outside it’s kind of a sign you better slow your roll.
An American can trade in their SUV for a Prius to reduce their CO2 emissions.
Now tell me, how does an Indian guy lower his Carbon Footprint when all he has is a bike.
一个美国人可以用他们的 SUV 换一辆普锐斯来减少二氧化碳排放量。
I don’t know, don’t use coal? The companies have to do it. It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp. The premise of the post was that China and India are not major polluters because their per capita pollution from co2 was lower. That’s just not true. The countries need to figure out a way. That’s all there is to it. I’m not (nor can I) solve the pollution problems of the world. I can only hope for stronger national action by each country.
Typical white arrogance - you've used cheap coal, gas etc. energy, dirty factories etc. and polluted everything on Earth in order to boost your economies. Now, when it comes down to develoment of other countries, you suddenly 'care' about CO2 etc. Even then, before starting to do something with your consumption, you first point fingers at others. I guess you mean that both India and China should stop development and remain poor, so that an average American could eat 3x as them, drive a truck and produce more pollution ? Is that what you want ? If you want to contribute to less pollution, then maybe start from yourself by lowering your consumption ? I mean it's really funny, when America with its 3+ times lower population produces twice more CO2 overall than India. Btw, China is one of the world's leaders in renewables, while the US president is pushing for shale fuel usage. So yeah, the actual threat to Earth is USA with their overwhelming arrogance in every sphere.
Don't use coal? Then use what? This is like "let them eat cake"
China is the world leader in green energy
Not only is China today the world’s largest producer of solar panels, wind turbines, batteries and electric vehicles, but it has also been the top investor in clean energy for nine out of the last ten years, according to the Frankfurt School of Finance and Management. Since 2014, Chinese equity investment has supported a total of 12,622 megawatts (MW) of wind and solar projects in South and Southeast Asia alone, according to new research by Greenpeace.