[2024-03-13]Quora问答：很多外国人取笑印度，说印度很脏，印度人不卫生。我们真的那么糟糕吗？

Fabien Lecomte Former Supply Chain Specialist
First I will say hat realizing is a first good step, and as a French citizen living in India, i have only one short answer to your question: YES
Yes India is dirty, so beautiful but so dirty, here in Chennai people don’t give a s**t, littering like breathing, for exemple some weeks ago, a neighbor clean is car in the street, not the random dude, some high class (if i can say) and while cleaning the interior he threw everything on the floor like nothing, not even realizing what he was doing.
2 days ago 2 guys smoking a cigarette under my window, chatting, one of the 2 opens a new packet, throw the plastic, then the inner aluminum paper, the the cigarette end,then after while talking he starts to play with his matchbox, cutting the box in many pieces and throwing like seeds to a crop… and one more cigarette ans hop the packet is on the road.As we collect so much crap in front of our gate I just asked the guy what’s up with the mess and he was so surprised, i asked him to take it back and to find a trash, he was shocked. Like magical fairies are going to clean.

【回答】前供应链专家
首先，我要说的是，意识到这点是很好的第一步，作为一名生活在印度的法国公民，我对你的问题只有一个简短的回答：是。
是的，印度很脏，很漂亮但很脏，在金奈，人们根本不在乎，乱扔垃圾就像呼吸一样，比如几周前，一个邻居在街上擦车，不是随便的人，是一些上流人士（如果我可以这么说的话），在擦车内的时候，他把所有东西都漫不经心地扔在地上，甚至没有意识到自己在做什么。
两天前，有两个人在我窗下抽烟聊天，其中一个人打开了一包新烟，扔掉塑料膜，然后扔掉里面的铝纸，再扔掉烟头，聊了一会儿后，他开始玩他的火柴盒，把盒子掰成很多块，像扔种子一样扔到庄稼地里... 接着又扔了一根烟，烟盒扔在路上。当我们在门前收集了很多垃圾时，我就问那个人这些垃圾是怎么回事，他很惊讶，我让他把这些垃圾拿回去找个垃圾桶，他很震惊。就像有魔法仙女会打扫一样。

Yes i read so many posts on Quora by philosophers, researchers, highly educated persons with slideshows and stuff telling it’s because of the system, because of the lack of processing facilities..
No it is not, There is something deeper, something in my opinion who touches at the old thing of castes, an old type of education: don’t touch it’s dirty, someone will clean.
but that’s not all, there is certainly more, what else can explain that, what logical explanation can excuse an individual to pollute, and throw trashes at his own feets, to step in the trashes at every moment, i don’t understand, i don’t get it honestly.
it’s everyday so sad.
I posted here some while ago, 2 friends came here (Chennai & surroundings) for 2 weeks, the travel of a lifetime for them, night before going i asked the the pro and cons of India, In the pro came the Indians and the encounters they had, and on first place came: it’s dirty, and yes my friends it’s what they are bringing with them back to France, what they will remember all of their lifetime, what they will share with their friends.
Sad.

是的，我在 Quora 上读到过很多哲学家、研究人员、受过高等教育的人的帖子，他们用幻灯片之类的东西告诉我，这是因为体制的原因，因为缺乏处理设施...
不，不是这样。在我看来，有一些更深层次的东西触及到了古老的种姓制度，一种古老的教育方式：别碰脏东西，会有人来清理的。
但这还不是全部，肯定还有更多，还有什么能解释，还有什么合乎逻辑的解释能为一个人污染环境、向自己的脚下扔垃圾、每时每刻都踩在垃圾上找借口，我不明白，说实话我不明白。
每天都这么可悲。
我不久前在这里发的帖子提到，有两个朋友来这里（钦奈周边）呆了两周，这对他们来说是一生中难忘的旅行，在离开前一晚，我问他们印度的优点和缺点，关于优点他们提到了印度人和他们所遇到的人，而首要的缺点是：这里很脏。是的，我的朋友们，这会是他们带回法国的记忆，是他们一生中都会记住的，也是他们将与朋友们分享的。
可悲。

Dudell Brödel International Aid Worker (2012–present)
When I was younger, maybe 5 years ago, I was waiting in a real estate agency to hand in an application for a house. A desi family came in and immediately started complaining to an agent about their bond not being returned. I tried to mind my business but I was listening in to the conversation as it went on. It went something like this.
The Dad: “Why did you not return bond? We vacuum and took things off walls before we moved out, what did we do wrong?”
The agent: “Take a look at this photograph and tell me you cleaned everything”
I looked up and saw a photograph i could not believe. There was a toilet bowl that was BLACK from urine and poo build up, and a shower that had only two pale cream spots where they had stood in the shower, the rest of the shower floor was deep brown from all the mess.

【回答】国际援助工作者（2012年 - 至今）
在我年轻的时候，大概是 5 年前，我在一家房地产中介公司等待递交购房申请。一个印度裔家庭走进来，马上就开始向中介抱怨他们的保证金没有退还。我尽量不去管闲事，但还是偷听了他们的谈话。对话内容大致如下：
爸爸：“你们为什么不退还保证金？我们在搬走前用吸尘器把墙上的东西都清理掉了，我们哪做错了？”
经纪人：“看看这张照片，告诉我你都清理干净了”
我抬起头，看到了一张令我难以置信的照片。马桶里的尿液和大便堆积变成了黑色，淋浴间里只有两处浅奶油色的地方是他们站立淋浴时留下的，其余的淋浴间地面因为污垢而变成了深棕色。

The wife then said: “You want us to clean that? But its filthy!.”
I couldn’t believe it. These people looked well off, well dressed with mixed traditional and business wear, with a nice car outside, maybe first generation with a young boy with them, and yet they refused to clean their own toilet to the point it was FILTHY. I didn’t understand how they could even tolerate being in that room let alone using it.
Needless to say the dad got furious, the kid started crying and looked embarrassed, and they left without their money. Both me and the agent shared a look like “what the F was that?” and we got on with our day.
Now i lived with a second gen Punjabi dude at the time called Ribhu, and i came home to tell him about this and ask wtf the deal was, and he was like “yeah man, its more common than you think, when you’re in a certain class if you’re raised in it long enough people literally don’t clean up after your shit - thats other peoples jobs from a different caste, or maids etc”
I just couldn’t understand that mentality.

妻子接着说：“你想让我们把它清理干净？可它太脏了！”
我简直不敢相信。这些人看起来家境殷实，穿着考究，传统服装和商务装混搭，外面还停着一辆好车，可能是第一代移民，还带着一个小男孩，但他们却拒绝打扫自己的厕所，以至于厕所污秽不堪。我不明白他们怎么能容忍自己待在那个房间里，更不用说使用了。
不用说，孩子的父亲勃然大怒，孩子开始哭泣，看起来很尴尬，他们没拿到钱就离开了。我和经纪人都露出了“这他妈是啥？”的表情，然后继续我们的工作。
当时我和一个叫里布的第二代旁遮普兄弟住在一起，我回家告诉他这件事，并问他这到底是怎么回事，他说："是啊，兄弟，这比你想象的要普遍得多，当你从小就身处某个阶层足够长时，你根本不会清理你的大便——那是其他种姓的人的工作，或者是女佣等。”
我实在无法理解这种心态。

I travelled to India a couple years later for most of a year to understand better, and I wanted to make a difference to peoples lives. I wanted to understand the people better. I thought surely things weren’t that bad. I was naive.
From a train I saw a dead man being eaten by crows, bisected by the tracks.
I saw a man take a shit in a ditch, do one wipe with a piece of cardboard off the ground, walk off and then sit down and eat a rice biryani next to me at a cafe with his bare hands hands 15 minutes later.
I saw another man swimming in the Ganges about 30 meters from the corpse of a dog. I saw a ridiculous Lamborghini in Mumbai drive over a mans foot and that man walk barefoot bleeding through muddy streets after cursing out the driver. I saw a guy handing out lassi on the a corner from a chilled container with BLACK MOULD on the edges of the tub. I watched a kid sucking milk direct from a cow with ticks and sores all over its body.

几年后，为了更好地了解印度，我去印度旅行了大半年，我想改变人们的生活。我想更好地了解印度人民。我想事情肯定没那么糟。但我太天真了。
在火车上，我看到一具人的尸体被乌鸦分食，被铁轨一分为二。
我看到有人在沟里大便，用地上的纸板擦一擦，然后走开，15 分钟后在一家咖啡馆坐下来，在我旁边徒手吃米饭。
我还看到有人在恒河里游泳，距离一只狗的尸体大约 30 米。我在孟买看到一辆荒唐的兰博基尼从一个人的脚上碾过，而那个人在骂完司机后，光着脚走在泥泞的街道上，鲜血直流。我看到有人在街角用冰镇容器分发拉西（译注：印度酸奶甜品），容器边缘有黑色的霉菌。我看到有个孩子直接从一头身上长满虱子和疮的奶牛身上吸奶。

I saw the most cringeworthy, obnoxious displays of lot of money, power and status side by side with absolute human misery I thought existed only in history books.
I met a 14 year old girl whilst volunteering with a treatment centre getting treated for STD’s, rumoured to be from repeat rapes from local men, and when asked about sex education she had never even seen a man wear a condom in her life. I treated women who had miscarried and due to lack of medical care had septic shock from a dead foetus STILL INSIDE them, and apparently locals thought she was literally cursed and denied her access to transport and food.
I helped build a well in northern India for a medium sized village, with some VERY weird and loud Christian American do gooders who were on some kind of poverty tourism thing trying to get into heaven quick, but I stuck around a week later after they left on their bus and the locals had filled that well in because it was more important that more dumb Americans come back and spend money locally than people have free access to water the water.

我看到了一些让人极度不适、炫耀财富、权力和地位的场面，以及我曾以为只存在于历史书中的人类苦难。
我在一家治疗中心做志愿者时，遇到一个 14 岁的女孩，她正在接受性传播疾病的治疗，据说是被当地男人反复强奸所致，当被问及性教育时，她甚至一辈子都没见过男人戴安全套。我治疗过一些流产的妇女，由于缺乏医疗护理，她们体内的死胎还在，导致脓毒性休克，显然当地人认为她受到了诅咒，不让她使用交通工具和吃东西。
我在印度北部帮一个中等规模的村庄打了一口井，同行的还有一些非常怪异、吵闹的美国基督教行善者，他们好像在进行某种贫困旅游活动，试图快速进入天堂，但大约一周后他们乘车离开，我还留在那里，当地人已经把那口井填平了，因为让更多愚蠢的美国人回来当地消费比让人们免费获得水源更重要。

In the month before I left I watched unx organisers be beaten unconscious by cops for protesting coca cola poisoning an estuary and killing crops. I also met a hindu guy who bragged to me about beating a muslim dude to within an inch of his life for speaking to his sister at university, and acted like I was a pussy when I didn’t think that was funny.
India is a beautiful country but I was never the same after I came home, and i don’t think I can go back without needing to see a psychiatrist.
India has a problem, and it is a lack of compassion and abundance of ignorance on all levels, in all walks. Some of it is simple lack of education, but most of it is wilful.
Not only is bad hygiene endemic in India, in virtually all provinces and areas, but corruption and inhumanity is the cause. People don’t care about other people outside of their immediate family or in-group and on a fundamental level that is what is wrong with that country. Why wash your hands if you don’t care about getting anyone else sick? If they die, big deal, as long as its not you. Racism is endemic, sectarianism is out of control, nationalist poison is everywhere and the poor are played against each other by the rich, governments and corporate interests at every opportunity. and every time, they fall for it.
This may be incredibly ignorant, what i’ve written, and I may offend a lot of people, but that was my true take away from living and working in india for pretty much a year. Yes, India is incredibly unhygienic, but it is also Incredibly cruel.

在我离开前的一个月里，我目睹了工会组织者因为抗议可口可乐污染河口、毒害庄稼而被警察打得不省人事。我还遇到了一个印度教徒，他向我吹嘘在大学里因为一个穆斯林和他妹妹说话，而把他打得奄奄一息，当我觉得这事并不好笑的时候，他表现得好像我是个孬种。
印度是一个美丽的国家，但我回家后就变了一个人，我回去必须去看心理医生了。
印度有一个问题，那就是在各个层面、各个阶层都缺乏同情心和大量的无知。有些人只是缺乏教育，但大多数人是故意的。
在印度，几乎所有省份和地区都普遍存在卫生状况差的问题，而腐败和不人道则是其根源。人们不关心直系亲属或内部群体以外的其他人，从根本上说，这就是这个国家的问题所在。如果你不在乎别人生病，为什么还要洗手？如果他们死了，没什么大不了的，只要死的不是你。种族主义盛行，宗派主义失控，民族主义毒药无处不在，富人、政府和企业利用每一个机会让穷人相互对抗。而每一次，他们都上当了。
我写的这篇文章可能非常无知，可能会冒犯很多人，但这是我在印度生活和工作近一年的真实感受。是的，印度非常不卫生，也非常残酷。