Qi Chen Electrical Engineer (2017–present)
Question: Why doesn't the US declare war on China while they at least still have the upper hand (since they're probably gonna end up going to war sometime anyway)?
Answer: They did. It is called Korean war.
Ever since, US policy has been a war with China is not feasible and China today is a lot closer to US in strength comparing to the 1950s.
【回答】电气工程师（2017 年 - 至今）
It is well known in every war college in the world "you don't go to war on the Asian land mass!"
Stephen "Rocky" Wernick Former Republican, now a Democrat
What, exactly, would be the reason for the United States of America to begin a war with China?
Has China provoked a military response from the United States by sending its military into the US, its protected territories, or its allies?
Has the United Nations held a vote to enforce a peacekeeping effort because of something China has done on the global stage?
Has China declared war on the USA?
I don't know what you might think China has done to deserve the United States taking up arms against it, but without a clear provocation for a US military response, there is no good reason for the United States to do so.
The Korean was should serve as a good example of what can be expected, when the US tries to bully China or threaten it. The Vietnam war was based on lies, just like the Iraq and Afghanistan ones. Even that Perl harbor massacre seems to have some errors in its official story line. What puzzles me most though is, that none of the countries attacked, ever invaded the US or even threatened to do so. Capitalism has turned into that snake, that tried to eat itself. The only difference is, that capitalism will in the end prove to be successful in causing its own demise, caused by unbridled greed.
“Has China provoked a military response from the United States by sending its military into the US, its protected territories, or its allies?”
The answer to that is a definite YES, China has militarily occupies places within the sovereign territory or jurisdiction of various neighboring nations, including US allies like Japan and the Philippines, and sends its warships and military aircraft into such areas to harass. They also claim to own about 90% of international waters in the South Asian Sea.
“Has the United Nations held a vote to enforce a peacekeeping effort because of something China has done on the global stage?”
No, BUT China is openly and defiantly refused to comply with international maritime law, especially the UN Convention on the Law Of the Sea. Moreover, seven years ago, the Arbitral Panel of the International Court of Justice ruled, in The Philippines v. China, PCA Case, violations of the UNCLOS treaty China signed, and other international laws.
But, nonetheless, the US strictly respects and follows international maritime law, and only operates in international waters or where it has a legal right to be. It does not trespass into China’s territorial waters, nor does it interfere in any way with China’s commercial or military vessels operating lawfully. It doesn’t threaten China at all, except perhaps by it’s existence and presence, although China frequently threatens US Navy vessels or falsely claims to have driven them away from “its,”.
回答肯定是“是”，中国军事占领了包括日本和菲律宾等美国盟国在内的多个邻国的主权领土或管辖范围，并派遣军舰和军用飞机在这些地区骚扰。他们还声称拥有南亚海域约 90% 的国际水域。
Well, well, well, Thanks to the “World Plice” for the jurisdiction and "protection" of the people all over the world, I believe people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia….they will appreciat the US army a lot . In addition, I want to say that USA actually tried to declare war to China before, In 1950, in North Korea, but the two sides finally discovered that the fight could not go on. so they still keep on the armistice agreement until now.
Damn, I am starting to think that the US politics is based on Anti Asian Propoganda. Do you really think other countries will support US if it attacks China. Lol, no one want political instability in there neighbourhood.
Phillip Wynn Ph.D. in Medieval Europe & Theology, University of Notre Dame (Graduated 2011)
This idea would make any list of the worst ideas in history. Any such war cannot be won by either side, and would end in defeat for both. In fact, this idea is not only the height of stupidity and insanity, it is downright satanic in its evil. Maybe you think of this like a game of Risk, where you can always resurrect your fortunes on the next turn. No one will be able to resurrect the mountains of dead that would result from such a war. And the generations of hate that would ensue. So not only is the thought of such a war preposterous, evil, and insane, it is exactly the war that both countries should do all in their power to avoid.
First of all, it would be a nuclear war and that would bring on nuclear winter. Secondly, you do not want to fight a war with China. Remember they invented gunpower and much more related to war, and even perfected the art of war. It might go “our way” at first, but not for long. Or, it could go their way, before it even starts. Unintended consequences and the fog of war are beyond our imagination.
Matt W Former Research PhD Student at UNSW Bioanalytical Centre (2015–2019)
Well remember Vietnam.
What is a country like Vietnam to the great US of A?
Well, the Americans lost that one, and heck, they weren’t even fighting the whole of Vietnam, just the communist North.
Ten years spent (1965 to 1975) before the fall of Saigon when American troops were forced home having failed their mission, and sparking much home criticism of the war effort.
【回答】新南威尔士大学生物分析中心 前研究博士生（2015年-2019 年）
西贡沦陷前的十年（1965 年至 1975 年），美军因未能完成任务而被迫回国，引发了国内对战争的大量批评。
The American public opinion effectively ended that war.
Nathan James Geopolitical pundit and blogger.
Because the US isn’t stark raving mad?
The US does not have the upper hand. War with China will be very bloody and devastating for both countries, and the world as well.
You do know that China is a major nuclear power, right?
China also has the third most powerful military on the planet. China is not a pushover like Afghanistan and Iraq.
> since they're probably gonna end up going to war sometime anyway
If you really believe this, then you better learn how to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
The American public does not have the stomach for a ground war with China. When the body bags start coming home people get pretty upset. Vietnam is an example.
So true. They will bark here on internet having wet dreams how they destroy china. And when their soldiers come home dead they will whine and force the government to retreat.
What would there be to gain by war with a very powerful military and nuclear power? I love my country but a war like this would cost millions of lives in a short period of time. The old world is done and colonizations are not like they used to be. There is no more prestige In occupying parts of world which are far from home. Now would he considered, barbaric.
Colonizers still have the same mindset and are crying because there hegemony on the world is coming to an end.
Benson Pe Chua
China will not wage wars of stupidity and all its advancement are all for defense - be it Economic, military, scientific etc ( even for the fortifying of the CCP, chinese nation and the country ). And these lessons comes from historical aggression by the west ,and Japan ( if there is no Himalayan mountain- maybe by the Indians also) . The economy to sustain the well being of the chinese nation and preserving the CCP. Even the BRI and the maritime Silk Road are for opening western and southern corridors to have Economic ties and maybe escape route . Well the recent successes of the Mars landing , the orbiters/ lander / explorer , the super computer , even quantum one, the hypersonic orbital nuclear capable missile , countless patent right etc really caught the west by surprise. I think better pray for the USA for the sake of the world . You see the problem is not CHINA but the USA !
Please note that the USA has lost wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and now Afghanistan. WTF are these people thinking.
From an original objective, a few we did achieve major goals by keeping the Communist troops out of South Korea, destroying the Ba’ath (Saddam’s) regime, and putting the Northern Alliance on charge of Afghanistan. Unfortunately, we did not solve any long-term problems and each of these conflicts came at high costs in terms of lives and money spent.
what we have learned is that an invasion is very easy for the US to win but occupations are where we falter since the will of the people cannot be changed. Conflicts operated by politicians can go nowhere aa we saw in Vietnam. We have also learned that private interests and industries benefit immensely from war as we witnessed in Iraq with Dick Cheney’s company being the sole victor.
Your observation that corporations profit from America’s military adventures is dead on. One has to wonder if that is not the sole reason for these misadventures. Keep those bomb industry humming and dividends flowing to the Corporate elite.
Follow the money…
A nuclear war will not gain either one any mileage.
it’s no surprise, with the US history of world wide military engagements since it’s existence, that many of its citizens know of only one way to resolve differences, that is by going to war. In fact, to some, there are other untold benefits for such a strategy. Going to wars in foreign countries have been great business for the military industries as well as a mean for the government to unit its people to fight “foreign threats”, real or not real, instead of trying to deal with many dividing and unsolvable issues at home. Now, China is being targeted as the enemy, yet, many naive and ill informed warmongers in US probably have never heard of MAD. The question here is, talk is cheap, are you and your family ready to die!
* While military industries logically benefits from the war, all other industries suffers, because they need to pay for it. The economical costs are much greater than benefits of the few military companies. A war expenses does not help the economy. Unbelievable that people still thinks so.
* mean to unit its people to fight “foreign threats” - Exactly the opposite in the long term. Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, they all became quite unpopular. Even USSR invasion to Afghanistan was a disaster that has been a big factor by USSR’s decline.
Agreed and thank you for your further explanation of the current faulty US policies and strategies. But the smart think tanks and decision making leaders in the government do not seem to agree and they tend to ignore valuable lessons of yesterdays. Biden has a chance to tune down the rhetorics but he has decided to act tougher than Trump. Short term political gains in the expense of the country’s long term prosperity. Sad but real.
No US politician said, that the above mentioned wars were to support economical growth and they weren't because it it nonsense.
So maybe, just maybe there could be other reasons….
In Afghanistan, there's not really that much oil. Just google the cost of war and price of all oil in Afghanistan.
I mean I’m neither, political or economocal expert, but this is what my common sense tells me. I’m not trying to defend usa or anything. I just hate stupid arguments
Mutually Assured Destruction. Very scary term. I remember when it was an everyday worry.
Benson Pe Chua
China buying buy not waging war for oil
After the NATO retreat from Afghanistan and Biden’s declaration that Trump was right, China is an ecistential threat to American imperialism, it is not very likely that China or Russia or even Iran for that matter, will succumb to European gunboat diplomacy. After all it is not the Chinese who are suffering the humilliation of being opium addicts now. Whether you like it or not, all that you know is at an end.
As long as the dead are not the politicians family, who cares.
People that would really ask a question like that make me worry about the future of humanity.
I am constantly amazed at how dumb questions like this are asked.
First, the US CANNOT win a conventional war with China. China is too big, too far away, and too well disciplined. And, the US - and ALL of its western allies -CANNOT logistically support or supply troops anywhere in the western Pacific. Particularly not for any prolonged period of time.
So, that leaves a nuclear conflict. Does anyone know what Mutually Assured Destruction is?
China cannot possible win due to its geographic position. U S and it’s allies would cut off China’s supply chain set up a blockade in the sea of China
China can not compete with U S on the open seas
Lol. You’re pretty funny. You are aware that a MILITARY fleet in the open ocean makes the use of nuclear weapons possible. WITHOUT ANY civilian collateral damage?
ONE medium size nuclear weapon could EFFORTLESSLY take out a US carrier battle group.
But, put your mind at ease. The Chinese are smarter than that.
* Which other country do you think would be willing to join forces with the US to wage war on China?
* And how many Americans are you prepared to sacrifice to go to war with a country that has over 4 times the population?
If a war ever happened between the U S and China I’d fully expect all the members of NATO and NAFTA plus Australia,Japan ,Korea and Israel plus most of the free world. I wouldn’t expect troops from most of them but fully expect support and compliance of the embargo and blockade As far As China’s advantage in troop numbers it’s not 1920 anymore. Wars will be fought with strategic strikes and small troop engagements. it’s nice to have a large reserve of troops but not a Hugh advantage Nobody wants a war.
【回复】如果中美之间发生战争，我完全可以期待北约和北美自由贸易协定的所有成员国，加上澳大利亚、日本、韩国和以色列，以及自由世界的大多数国家。我不指望其中大多数国家会出兵，但我完全相信他们会支持并遵守禁运和封锁。至于中国在军队数量上的优势，现在已经不是 1920 年了。战争将以战略打击和小规模部队交战的方式进行。拥有大量的后备部队是件好事，但不是巨大的优势，没有人想要战争。
And the US think they can?
They think they are ‘saint’ but causes chaos wherever they went.
'Intelligence failure of the highest order' — How Afghanistan fell to the Taliban so quickly
Open seas? You think US would stop at the middle of the sea and wait for china to come? Good luck with that. China will be lighting the fireworks and sit back and enjoy the show.
They’re even end up with a devastating failure in Afghanistan after 20 years invading…
【回复】他们甚至在入侵阿富汗 20 年后以灾难性的失败告终...
Yap You Wai
hmm…. the private defense contractors win with more weapon contracts i.e. more $$? The politicians win as the defense contractors re-channel some $$ to them as political funds?
And the American people lost. Trillion of dollars by tax payers gone to support war profiteering.
That’s true, many people win except…you know
Can’t win against a “ schrimp” but want to fight killer whales that outnumber you 5 to 1? The only winner will be Russia.
Because very smart people have war-gamed numerous scenarios regarding a military conflict between the US and China and there are not many in which the US comes out ahead in any substantive way. The choice between mutually assured destruction or an embarrassing military defeat is not one that any POTUS wants to be associated wth. Unless they do not have all their faculties…
Unless they do not have all their faculties….
Precisely my worry, these US antiChina hawks may just be stupid enough to start a war in SCS thinking war only happens outside the US soil which they are so used to!
Lets hope the PRC don't force anyones hand with expansionism then.
What expansionism? They’ve shown no sign of that to date, so it would only be something manufactured by the USA…
Benson Pe Chua
They’re not that stupid - USA wars are only done on small and weaker countries
You know the US military has historically have faked there wargames to get more funding in congress.
You do realize those simulations were ran in the South China Sea? Moreover, in all out conventional warfare, China stands little chance against the United States.
US had the courage to attack Iraq and Libya because she knows the adversaries have no defense against them. These are really cowardly attacks, the worst coward anyone would know of.
Let me add something. Some coward ways US fought.
1. Atomic bombing on Japan. Cant fight face to face like men? Let’s bomb their women and children.
2. Vietnam war. US got ass kicked in the jungle so they poisoned the forest with agent orange.
Nuclear weapons with long range delivery capabilities are the greatest antidote to wars. Because they assure mutual destruction. It is why North Korea is not attacked despite they openly flaunting their capabilities. But Iraq was accused of possessing WMD which they did not, and was attacked. Therefore, posturing, war mongering, minor skirmishes may happen but all out war among countries with such weapon and delivery capabilities are most unlikely.
No. That was never why North Korea was not attacked. If it were not for China, that failed State would have ceased to exist long ago.
I know that North Korea is a failed state but for Chinese support, food etc.may be. But my point is limited- would anyone dare attack it after it has both nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles to anywhere in the world?
Monica Alvarez Sage
It makes me sad to think that I’d be among those killed in a war with China when they invade the mainland soil because the US, my home, pisses them off for a stupid ass reason, and I’d die simply because I’m an American civilian…
I want my country to realize it’s not the biggest, strongest, ultraconservative badass anymore. If we don’t get that shit out of our heads, we are FUCKED.
I think the fundamental question needs to be addressed is why should US go to war with China. Have China invaded any US territory? Difference in opinion, different in color, different in government should not be the reason go into war.
When the smart kid get more marks on the exams, bullies gonna act against him.
Has the US won a major War? WWII was won by the Soviets. Had it not been for the Atomic bomb, do you think US would have beaten Japan? US lost the Korean and Vietnam Wars. US lost Afghanistan War and is ashamed to pull out. US goes to War not to win, but for the War hogs to make money, and the American people pays the price and suffer the consequences. WAKE UP PEOPLE! Take an interest in yourself and in America!
From what I have been told, the Japanese were already running out of resouces to continue the war even before that day, The bomb simply made things move faster.
Yes and No. It took 2 bombs. not 1.
Just a side note: we lost the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq was a disaster with thousands and thousands of innocent Iraqis killed and the birth and the rise of ISIS. Our military men and women were heroic, but as in Viet Nam, were hamstrung by incompetent civilian and military senior leaders who continually falsely espoused positive progress.
The Truth is Out There
Lockheed Martin has the largest budget spent on lobbying DC politicians of all US companies. This explains why $1 Trillion of my tax dollars were wasted on the failed F-35 fighter jet. That is why these posts show up here. War is a very lucrative business. Who cares how many young American men and women die. The military industrial complex will make big profits and that is all they care about. It is a shame that our country has devolved into this tailspin that will be the end of the US as the world’s number one superpower. China does not have to do anything….just wait and watch at how we are bringing ourselves down by spending so much money on defense and fighting wars we cannot afford.
【回复】在所有美国公司中，洛克希德-马丁公司用于游说华盛顿政客的预算最多。这就解释了为什么我们 1 万亿美元税款被浪费在了失败的 F-35 战斗机上。这就是这样的帖子出现在这里的原因。战争是一门利润丰厚的生意。谁会在乎有多少年轻的美国男女丧生。军工企业将赚取巨额利润，这就是他们所关心的。遗憾的是，我们的国家已经陷入了这种混乱，美国作为世界头号超级大国即将终结。中国不必做任何事情.... 只需静观其变，看看我们是如何通过在国防上花费巨资和打我们负担不起的战争而自取灭亡的。
Maybe the fact that millions of Afghani people got to experience life's basic freedoms for the first time over the last 2 decades makes it worth it.. I know Id do it more for my own.
【回复】也许在过去 20 年里，数百万阿富汗人第一次体验到了生活的基本自由，这就值得了... 我知道这样做更多是为了我们自己。
i never thought i would find a intelligent american. Here’s your crown, King!
How much money and how many lives do you think has been lost by the US in Afghanistan? Have you really thought this through?
KNG HOCK GUAN ABEL
The US had spent two decades and trillions of dollars fighting the Telebans in Afgan and lost. Do you think the US can defeat China a major nuke power? Please see a doctor to have your brain examined.
US can’t beat Vietnam, Iraq , North Korea and Afghanistan’s Taliban and now want to fight against China? Best scenario; hundreds of thousands of Americans dead and US impoverished. Worst case scenario ; end of the civilised world as both countries are nuked to extinction!
I am sure US would stand a good chance to win China… if China invades US.
But the fact of the matter is US would have to travel 3000+ miles for this war… the logistic alone would be a killer.
但事实是，美国将不得不为这场战争奔波 3000 多英里......单是后勤保障就足以致命。
Because the US isn’t stark raving mad?
I dunno, man. The last several years seem to suggest otherwise.
China's military isn't even in the top 10 over half their troops aren't even adequately supplied plus their body armor and weapons are made in China aka cheaply made junk
【回复】中国军队甚至连前 10 名都排不上，一半以上的军队甚至没有足够的补给，而且他们的防弹衣和武器都是中国制造，又名廉价垃圾。
Why doesn't the US go to war with China? Probably because Americans don't want cats to be the new masters of the planet
Keith Sear Studied Software Engineering (Graduated 2000)
Why doesn't the US declare war on China - For what purpose?
Since they're probably gonna end up going to war sometime anyway - Based on what?
I have a better idea…
Maybe they should declare war on Canada instead, expand their territory north, build a land link to Alaska, grab some more oil and gas.
Adrian Lacno Former Manager
War for what? Declare war on China because some is better than US? Declare war because China is a competitor? That would be so funny. Would you beat up someone because someone win the marathon race? Yea, that is what you are implying here. What kind of human rights is that? A big human right violator!
It can be easely won in seas, just sink aĺl Chinese ships
Even if the US managed that they wouldn’t have won. Control of the seas is only one factor in a war. The US had control of the seas and air in Vietnam and still lost. Same in Afghanistan although as a landlocked country there were no Afghan ships to sink.
But Chjna can not sustain itself under blocade, CCP will surrender completely
Have you even looked at a world map? No one can blockade China by sea. Not with all the land borders it has. Furthermore China is in a much better position to sustain itself than the US - it relies on its own production for most essentials.
As i read in american media, the plan is simple first seablocade, than strikes on railways from China to cause crisis and hunger
Ah, some journalist has come up with an idea which they think might work. “Strikes on railways” sounds so easy until you ask what with? Long distance bombers and missles aren’t accurate enough to hit a railway. Carrier based strike aircraft haven’t the range to reach most of China.
We haven’t even considered how China might respond yet. Up to and including using their ICBMs to deliver nuclear weapons to US cities.
Richard Kenneth Eng I love China. I love the Smalltalk programming language.
USA doesn’t have the upper hand. USA is totally unprepared to wage a war with China. Fighting a war in China’s own backyard is a fool’s errand.
China bristles with anti-ship missiles, including hypersonic missiles. USN’s supercarrier strike groups will keep their distance from the Chinese coast.
China has the world’s largest navy in terms of number of ships (destroyers, frigates, corvettes, missile boats, submarines, aircraft carriers, etc.). Most of these ships are relatively new, too, having been built in the last 20 years. USN’s fleet has a large number of old, antiquated ships from the Cold War era that haven’t been fully updated.
China’s capacity for building ships vastly exceeds America’s capacity.
USA is incapable of landing hundreds of thousands of troops on Chinese soil. China has the world’s largest standing army of over 2 million active military personnel.
China has some of the world’s most advanced stealth fighters.
USA won’t risk nuclear war with China, which has over 400 nuclear weapons by the Pentagon’s own admission.
【回答】我喜欢中国。我喜欢 Smalltalk 编程语言。
中国拥有世界上舰艇数量最多的海军（驱逐舰、护卫舰、轻型护卫舰、导弹艇、潜艇、航母等）。其中大部分舰艇也相对较新，是在过去 20 年中建造的。美国海军舰队有大量冷战时期的老旧舰艇，尚未完全更新。
美国没有能力在中国领土上登陆数十万军队。中国拥有 200 多万现役军人，是世界上最大的常备军。
五角大楼自己也承认，中国拥有 400 多枚核武器，美国不会冒险与中国爆发核战争。
Brady Milton Former Manager Training and Personnel Development at Goodyear Tire (company)
Why dont America concentrate on fixing their own problems insted of using war as an excuse to drag back others who can and are doing it better faster and cheaper than you ever could.
Roberto Eduardo Lives in Aruba (1970–present)
The USA did not accomplish its aims in North Korea during the Korean War, was thrown out of Vietnam and now from Afghanistan and was thrown out of China although it had given a lot of help to Chiang Kai-shek. All the time having first rate hardware in comparison with the opponent.
【回答】住在阿鲁巴（1970 年 - 至今）